Is the Electromagnetic Spectrum non-continuous?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of the electromagnetic spectrum, specifically whether it is continuous or quantized. Participants explore various aspects of electromagnetic radiation generation, atomic energy levels, and the implications of different theoretical frameworks.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that since electrons can only transition between specific energy levels, the resulting photon wavelengths are limited, implying a quantized spectrum rather than a continuous one.
  • Another participant counters that atomic transitions are not the sole source of electromagnetic radiation, indicating that other processes may contribute to the spectrum.
  • A different perspective introduces the idea that the description of the electromagnetic field can lead to either a discrete or continuous spectrum, depending on whether a Fourier series or Fourier integral is used.
  • Historical context is provided regarding Planck's work on black body radiation, suggesting that the quantization of oscillators does not necessarily imply a discontinuous electromagnetic spectrum.
  • One participant emphasizes that the behavior of photons in a gas or solid state can differ significantly from isolated atoms due to interactions and effects like the Doppler shift.
  • Another participant agrees with the influence of the Doppler effect, proposing that the expansion of the universe could lead to changes in photon energy over time, suggesting a complex relationship between time and the spectrum.
  • Lastly, a participant mentions that electromagnetic waves can also be generated through processes like sparks, which may produce a wide range of wavelengths.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the continuity of the electromagnetic spectrum, with no consensus reached. Some argue for quantization based on atomic transitions, while others highlight alternative generation mechanisms and theoretical descriptions that could support a continuous spectrum.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their arguments, such as the dependence on specific conditions like isolation of atoms, interactions in gases, and the effects of the universe's expansion on photon behavior.

Eriance
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From what I've learned in physics, electrons falling from higher energy levels to a lower energy level emits an photon equal to that of the difference in energy between the two levels. Each atom has a set number of energy levels for the electrons, and thus each element can only emit a set number of photon wavelengths.

Given there are limited numbers of elements, and a limited number of energy levels for each electron, does that mean the number of wavelengths for photons is limited also? Meaning, there isn't a continuous spectrum for EM radiation, rather quantized wavelengths, while some wavelengths don't exist? (i.e. say if no electron in any element have levels have the energy correlated to a photon of 345 nm, then such a photon doesn't exist in nature).

Or am I misinterpreting something?
 
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Transitions between atomic energy levels are not the only way to generate EM radiation.
 
Is the Electromagnetic Spectrum non-continuous?

It depends on how you describe the EM field. If you expand it in Fourier series, only components with certain preferred wave vectors ##\mathbf k## are used. The spectrum as a function of frequency will then be discrete and look like comb, hence it will be discontinuous.

On the other hand, if you decide to describe the field by the Fourier integral, it may happen that the Fourier transform is continuous (but it is not necessary). The spectrum then may be continuous.

Both descriptions are sometimes possible for the same field, which seems to imply that the distinction is in the description, not the actual state of the field.
 
When Plank was trying to explain the origin of the black body radiation was using oscillators as sources of EM radiation. What he found was that he had to the amount of oscillators in volume of space was limited. He had to assume that spectral density of the sources of EM radiation (oscillators) was not continuous. What that meas is that you cannot fit a continuous number of oscillators in a volume of space, they must be quantified. That doesn't means that the EM spectrum is discontonous
 
Eriance said:
Given there are limited numbers of elements, and a limited number of energy levels for each electron, does that mean the number of wavelengths for photons is limited also?
Don't forget also that what you said there is only valid for an isolated atom. In a gas, you have to take into account atom-atom interactions, which will shift the position of the levels. There is also the Doppler effect. And molecules do not have the same spectrum as their constituant atoms. And we're not even talking here about solids...
 
I agree with DrClaude, (Doppler shift part specifically). Let's take the highest known energy photon with frequency f, now as the universe expands and the rate accelerates the frequency will slowly decrease. Hence a single photon can exhibit infinite energies as it morphs with time.
This assumes that time is also continuous.

...However our model of light may not be the best one yet!
 
Ah ok. Thank you all for the explanation.
 
Very good observation Eriance! Another way to creat EM waves is through a spark, which can produce all of them provided the spark had enough energy.

However if you take planks constant, you will see that it the EM field is not continuous and goes up by small steps known as "planks constant".
 

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