Is the Minus Sign Separating Terms or Part of the Term in Algebra?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the minus sign in algebraic expressions, specifically whether it serves to separate terms or is part of the term itself. Participants explore this concept in the context of solving linear equations and simplifying expressions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about whether the minus sign before the term -4 in the expression 7(2x - 3) - 4(x + 5) is separating terms or part of the term itself.
  • Another participant suggests that the expression 4(x + 5) should be treated as a single term, leading to the conclusion that the minus sign indicates a negative quantity, resulting in -4x - 20.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of using parentheses when substituting into expressions to ensure correct simplification, illustrating this with the expression 7(2x - 3) - 4(x + 5) and its simplification.
  • One participant proposes viewing the expression as an addition of signed numbers, rewriting it as 7(2x - 3) + (-4)(x + 5) to clarify the role of the minus sign.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the minus sign, with multiple competing views presented regarding its role in the expression.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference rules about changing signs when subtracting terms, but there is no agreement on how this applies to the specific case discussed.

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I’m currently on working on solving linear equations, and I’m having some trouble understanding whether a minus sign is actually separating two terms, or if it is actually part of the term.

Here’s something that snagged me, it’s the left member of the equation:

[tex]\displaystyle{7(2x - 3) - 4(x + 5)}[/tex]

Regarding the minus sign just before the “4”, should I think of that as “separating” the two terms, or should I think of it as actually being a part of the term, and hence the value is -4?

I keep wanting to write: [tex]\displaystyle{14x - 21 - 4x + 20}[/tex], but apparently this is false.

It should be [tex]\displaystyle{14x - 21 - 4x - 20}[/tex]

I’m just confused, because I clearly remember a rule stating that when subtracting a term, every sign has to change. For example:

[tex]\displaystyle{(7 - 3) - (2 - 1) = 7 - 3 - 2 + 1}[/tex]

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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[tex]x+5[/tex] can be thought of as one term, so it's the same as if you were multiplying 4 by any regular number or variable. Because it's one term you multiply the whole thing by 4, which gives you [tex]-4x-20[/tex].

That's how I like to think of it, hope that helped.
 
Holocene said:
I’m currently on working on solving linear equations, and I’m having some trouble understanding whether a minus sign is actually separating two terms, or if it is actually part of the term.

Here’s something that snagged me, it’s the left member of the equation:

[tex]\displaystyle{7(2x - 3) - 4(x + 5)}[/tex]

Remember now the basic substitution rule:
Whenever substituting something by means of an identity, you will always get the correct result by setting a parenthesis around the new substitute.

Thus, since 4(x+5)=4x+20 and 7(2x-3)=14x-21, we may write:

7(2x-3)-4(x+5)=(14x-21)-(4x+20)=14x-21-4x-20, by removing the parentheses in the correct manner.

Since substitution with parantheses guarantees you the correct result (assuming you know your identities and how to remove parentheses), a good rule of thumb is always to substitute WITH parenthesis into a "complicated" expression.
 
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Thanks everyone.
 
You could think of it as an operation in subtraction of the qualtity 4(x+5), but the statement can also be written as 7(2x-3) + (-4)(x+5) and consider it addition of signed numbers.
 

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