Is the New Shogun Series a Worthy Successor or Just a Stylish Tribute?

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The discussion revolves around the new Shogun series, comparing it to the original series. Participants express their opinions on the show's production quality, authenticity, and character portrayals, as well as the impact of translation on the viewing experience. The scope includes personal impressions, critiques of character performances, and cultural authenticity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants find the new series well-made and reminiscent of Game of Thrones, noting its engaging plot and production quality.
  • Others express disappointment, suggesting that it lacks the naturalistic nuance of the original and relies too heavily on visual spectacle.
  • Concerns are raised about the authenticity of character portrayals, particularly the absence of iconic performances like that of Toshiro Mifune.
  • Participants discuss the use of multiple languages in the show and how translation affects the audience's understanding, with some suggesting that subtitles may vary significantly in different cultural contexts.
  • There are mixed feelings about the performances of specific characters, with some participants agreeing on the perceived shortcomings compared to the original series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with some appreciating the new series while others feel it falls short of the original. There is no clear consensus on whether it is a worthy successor or merely a tribute.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that their views are influenced by personal experiences and cultural backgrounds, which may affect their perceptions of authenticity and character portrayals.

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Viewers interested in adaptations of classic series, discussions on cultural representation in media, and critiques of character development in television shows.

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I have watched three or four episodes of this show and I think its quite well made.

Reminds me a lot of Game of Thrones. Lots of place intrigue and competing factions, but easy to understand. This review kind of agrees.
To me, as a non-Japanese, it seems pretty authentic with lots of Japanese actors and people in the production staff, but I would like to hear from more knowledgeable people about this.

One thing I like is that here are different languages (Japanese, Portuguese, spoken as English in the show), and maybe English) being used but only a handful of the characters understand them all. Translators have significant power in determining what is understood. The subtitles for what is said by a Japanese speaker and what the translator often have differences. Some of this is just reasonably quick translations, but some can be manipulative deceptions.

It occurred to me that if the series were shown in Japan, some of these subtitles would have interesting changes.
 

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I wanted to like it.
When compared to the previous one it seems to have traded naturalistic interpersonal nuance for overly-pretty spectacle. Also, it tragically suffers from the lack of a Toshiro Mifune, Mariko sounds less like she was tutored in a foreign language and more like she's just graduated from King's College, and I suppose Mr Jarvis just #ain't_my_Anjin-san.
Not a bad show by any stretch, but hardly an improvement, imo.
 
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BillTre said:
I have watched three or four episodes of this show and I think its quite well made.
I've heard good things about it, but I haven't watched it yet.
The original Shogun series is real classic. :smile:
 
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I wanted to like it.
When compared to the previous one it seems to have traded naturalistic interpersonal nuance for overly-pretty spectacle. Also, it tragically suffers from the lack of a Toshiro Mifune, Mariko sounds less like she was tutored in a foreign language and more like she's just graduated from King's College, and I suppose Mr Jarvis just #ain't_my_Anjin-san.
Not a bad show by any stretch, but hardly an improvement, imo.
I haven't watched it yet but my wife has and she specifically said two of the same things you did. Mifune is sorely missed and it is not as good as the older version.
 

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