Is the Oort Cloud Large Enough to Encompass a Multi-Stellar System?

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The discussion revolves around the size and characteristics of the Oort Cloud, particularly in relation to its potential to encompass multi-stellar systems. Participants explore theoretical distances of the Oort Cloud and its implications for the formation and stability of such systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the distance of the Oort Cloud, suggesting it could be between 1,000 AU and 10,000 AU, and wonders if this distance is sufficient to contain a multi-stellar system.
  • Another participant cites Wikipedia, stating the Oort Cloud is theorized to extend from 2,000-5,000 AU to potentially 100,000-200,000 AU, arguing that multi-star systems could share an Oort Cloud depending on their configuration.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of the gravitational midpoint between the Sun and Alpha Centauri, suggesting that objects in the Oort Cloud beyond this point could be influenced by Alpha Centauri, leading to a potential hourglass shape of the Oort Cloud.
  • Another contribution estimates the best guess for the Oort Cloud's size at about 50,000 AU, noting that the Alpha Centauri system is significantly farther away and discussing the potential disruptions to the Oort Cloud from nearby stars.
  • One participant emphasizes the uncertainty surrounding the Oort Cloud's boundaries, mentioning that numerical simulations suggest a gradual decrease in the number of comets with distance from the Sun, with some possibly extending to 300,000 AU.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various estimates and theories regarding the size and characteristics of the Oort Cloud, indicating that there is no consensus on its precise boundaries or its ability to encompass multi-stellar systems. Multiple competing views remain, with differing interpretations of gravitational influences and observational limitations.

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Limitations include the difficulty in obtaining observational data on the Oort Cloud, reliance on theoretical models and simulations, and the absence of a clear boundary for the Oort Cloud as suggested by participants.

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How far away is the Oort comet cloud? 1000 AU or 10,000 AU? c=10^10 cm/sec. for 10^8 sec/yr., gives 10^18 cm/lyr. Approximately then, is 1000 AU ~ .01 lyr? And 10,000 AU ~ .1 lyr? Would this be large enough to contain a multi-stellar system, since stars form in multiple? Hence a common Oort cloud for a center of mass for such system?
 
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According to wikipedia the Oort cloud is theorized to exist roughly from 2,000-5,000 AU to 50,000 AU, or 1 light year from the sun. Some estimates put the outer edge at up to 100,000 - 200,000 AU. (1.58-3.16 ly)

Multi-star systems have been observed with the stars separated by anywhere between a few AU up to hundreds or thousands of AU if not more, so the Oort cloud can easily be shared by two stars if it actually does form. Depending on the configuration of the system I could see having more than one star making conditions too unstable for the cloud to form.
 
I have seen several posts on the web that put the Oort cloud at anything up to 3 LY away.

What no one seems to consider is that the gravitational mid point between the sun and Alpha centaury is at 1.5LY from our sun. This means that any object in the Oort that is orbiting further out than this will be either be captured by Alpha Centaury or it must be orbiting both stars in a figure of eight orbit and the Oort cloud would have an hourglass shape with a lobe around each star and the waist of the hourglass at the gravitational mid point.

I have made a request for feedback on this point in a seaprate post, any input would be welcomed.
 
The best guess at the Oort cloud size is about 50,000 AU. The alpha centauri system is about 270,000 AU distant. It has probably been disrupted by near approaches from wandering stars, brown dwarfs or even ejection of planets from the primordial solar system. Such events number among those conjectured to explain the late heavy bombardment period.
 
Nobody knows for sure because it is extremely hard to obtain observational data on this. The best what can be done actually is to resort to numerical simulations. From these it became clear that one can not set a precise boundary to the Oort cloud because the number of comets per unit volume decrease with the distance from the sun according to some law. However, from these simulations one can guess that most of the comets is contained in a radius of 30-50.000 AU. But theere is no cut-off and few comets may go much further, fading away with some having aphelions extending as far as 300.000 AU. That is about alpha centauri's distance and in fact it is speculated that several of our Oort cloud comets might have extra solar origin. However, these comets orbiting further away from the sun might be just those more relevant for planetary impacts (and therefore for the existence of life) since they are those which are most perturbed by stellar encounters and galactic tides.

For further reading see also:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1110.5114
http://arxiv.org/abs/1108.1570
http://arxiv.org/abs/1009.5264
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0512256
 

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