Is the Relativistic Mass of Light Affecting Quantum Experiments?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of relativistic mass of light on quantum experiments, particularly in the context of measurements made using superconducting single-electron transistors. Participants explore the relationship between light, measurement, and the resulting movement in quantum systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight a link to a news article discussing quantum measurements and their implications.
  • One participant questions whether the relativistic mass of photons contributes to the movement observed in quantum experiments, suggesting that measurements in complete darkness would not yield movement.
  • Another participant clarifies that measurement involves perturbing the system, implying that the presence of light is not the primary factor affecting the outcome of the experiment.
  • A later reply reiterates the importance of understanding the measurement process, emphasizing that the relativistic mass of light photons is a consideration but not the sole factor in the experimental results.

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Participants express differing views on the role of light and its relativistic mass in quantum measurements. There is no consensus on whether the presence of light is necessary for detecting movement in the experiments discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of measurement and the influence of light on quantum systems remain unresolved, particularly regarding the implications of conducting experiments in darkness.

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Question. When they say this ["We made measurements of position that are so intense -- so strongly coupled -- that by looking at it we can make it move," said Schwab] this means they made it move by shining photons of light on it, which of course have "relativistic mass" and thus could act as a force to cause movement--correct ? In other words, if they had made their measurements in complete (100 %) darkness no movement would have been detected--correct ?
 
I wasn't clear on how the superconducting single-electron transistor is "looking".
 
In response to Rade:

You are correct in that measurement is the process of shooting photons (or something else) at a target. Doing the experiment in darkness won't make a difference, as you have to perturb the system to measure it.

It seems to me you're thinking that the lights in the room are affecting the outcome of the experiment. This isn't the issue, rather it's the issue of the actual measurement.
 
ptabor said:
...It seems to me you're thinking that the lights in the room are affecting the outcome of the experiment. This isn't the issue, rather it's the issue of the actual measurement.
Thank you. I was thinking of the relativistic mass of the light photons in the room as the cause of the experimental "movement" reported, I do not see how we get an "actual measurement" in this experiment without the lights in the room, thus I think this is the issue as you say for understanding the reported movement--but if I error please correct my thinking.
 

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