Is the space of tempered distributions 1st countable ?

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The discussion revolves around whether the space of tempered distributions, denoted as \(\mathcal{S}'\left(\mathbb{R}^3\right)\), is a first countable topological space. The inquiry is prompted by references to the rigged Hilbert space formalism and its implications for the countability of certain spaces.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if \(\mathcal{S}'\left(\mathbb{R}^3\right)\) is first countable, noting a connection to a statement by Rafael de la Madrid regarding the countability of wavefunction spaces versus their duals.
  • Another participant recalls that under the weak*-topology, \(\mathcal{S}'\left(\mathbb{R}^3\right)\) is not first countable.
  • A participant references a Wikipedia article on weak*-topology, expressing uncertainty about its relation to the (anti)dual of the Schwartz space.
  • Another participant suggests that the weak*-topology is natural for the space of tempered distributions and recommends consulting functional analysis literature for more details.
  • One participant asks for a demonstration that \(\mathcal{S}'\left(\mathbb{R}^3\right)\) is not first countable.
  • A later reply suggests that the argument hinges on the non-metrisability of the space with the weak*-topology, although the specifics of the proof are not recalled.
  • Another participant expresses frustration that the proof is not provided, only the result, and mentions finding an answer on a competitor's website.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the countability of \(\mathcal{S}'\left(\mathbb{R}^3\right)\), with some asserting it is not first countable under the weak*-topology, while others seek clarification and proof, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

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The discussion includes references to the weak*-topology and its implications for metrisability, but lacks detailed proofs or consensus on the arguments presented.

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Hi everyone,

the question is simple: is \mathcal{S}'\left(\mathbb{R}^3\right) a first countable topological space ?

I have no idea, honestly. (The question has occurred to me from a statement of Rafael de la Madrid in his PhD thesis when discussing the general rigged Hilbert space formalism. He says that even though the space of wavefunctions is assumed 1st countable, his antidual generally isn't. So I took the simplest case of a rigged Hilbert space: \mathcal{S}\left(\mathbb{R}^3\right)\subset \mathcal{L}^2 \left(\mathbb{R}^3\right)\subset \mathcal{S}^{\times}\left(\mathbb{R}^3\right))
 
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dextercioby said:
the question is simple: is \mathcal{S}'\left(\mathbb{R}^3\right) a first countable topological space ?

Assuming the weak*-topology my recollection is that this space is not first countable.
 
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Alright, thank you, got that. So can you show it's not first countable?
 
If memory serves the argument is essentially that the space of tempered distributions with the weak-* topology is not metrisable (since for topological vector spaces the two are equivalent). I forget how exactly this is shown, but if you perform an internet search I am sure this argument will turn up somewhere.
 
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It doesn't show as the proof, only as the result, thing which is quite frustrating.

I found an answer on the competitor's website, for those of you interested in the same question.
Thanks jgens for the interest shown.
 
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