Is the speed of light in a vacuum affected by an electric field?

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The discussion revolves around whether the speed of light in a vacuum is affected by an electric field, particularly when light passes between the plates of a charged capacitor. Participants explore concepts from classical electrodynamics, quantum field theory, and general relativity, examining the implications of electric fields on the propagation of light.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the speed of light in a vacuum remains constant at c, citing the linearity of Maxwell's equations and the principle of superposition.
  • Others question whether an electric field can polarize the vacuum, suggesting that this could alter the effective permittivity and thus the speed of light.
  • A participant introduces the concept of the Scharnhorst effect, proposing that light could travel slower in the presence of an electric field due to quantum effects.
  • Counterarguments are presented regarding the applicability of time dilation to photons and the interpretation of coordinate versus actual velocity in measuring light speed.
  • Some participants express confusion over the implications of gravity wells and their effects on light propagation, with differing views on whether these effects are relevant to the original question.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. There are multiple competing views regarding the influence of electric fields on the speed of light, with some asserting it remains constant and others suggesting potential modifications due to various effects.

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Participants reference classical electrodynamics, quantum field theory, and general relativity, indicating a complex interplay of theories that may not be fully resolved in the discussion. The implications of coordinate velocity versus actual velocity are also highlighted as a point of contention.

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Without getting into a deep discussion about the vacuum, let's agree that c is the speed of light in a vacuum. If we direct a light beam in a vacuum to pass between the plates of a charged capacitor (perpendicular to the E field) will the speed of the light between the parallel plates of the capacitor be less than c?

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No. Maxwell's equations are linear.
 
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No. Light does not interact with E fields. This is because, as Orodruin said, Maxwell's equations are linear and thus allow for superposition.
 
Thank you both for your responses. I did not make myself clear...and I have thought about this so much I have confused myself.

In classical electrodynamics does an E-field exert a polarizing effect on free space (the vacuum)? That is where I am confused. We know that the classical wave equation for EM waves in free space shows that c^2= the inverse of epsilon-zero times mu-zero. In the context of classical electrodynamics, does an E-field polarize the vacuum (changing epsilon-zero to "epsilon")? If the beam of light is passing through a polarized media, then the beam of light would no longer be traveling through free space and its speed would be less than c.

Thanks to all readers for their patience and any comments.
 
As clarified in #4, this is a field theory question, not a relativity question.
 
HeavyWater, thanks for your clarification.

I think I can answer your question by pointing out that εr, your relative permittivity, is defined as the ratio of the capacitance of a capacitor that has the given medium as a dielectric, and the capacitance of that capacitor that with the vacuum as its dielectric.

Therefore, what you've just described, by my understanding, is a vacuum dielectric capacitor--the very definition of ε0. The speed of light in your experiment should be exactly c, regardless of the strength of the E field.
 
@soothsayer - As clarified in #4, the OP is asking about polarizing the vacuum, which would be a quantum field theory effect.
 
tzimie said:
Yes, it will be slower for 2 reasons:

1. Capacitor is a gravity well (GR time dilation)
2. The inverse of Scharnhorst effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scharnhorst_effect

1. Time dilation isn't applicable to photons. A gravity well would only effect photon frequency.
2. That is a purely hypothetical effect, and doesn't it say the photons would speed up? Also, it doesn't make much sense to me seeing as pair creation doesn't actually change the speed of light in a vacuum, it just may make it slightly longer for a signal to traverse a given distance in a vacuum, if anything. That's not really what the OP was asking.
 
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soothsayer said:
1. Time dilation isn't applicable to photons. A gravity well would only effect photon frequency.
2. That is a purely hypothetical effect,
3. and doesn't it say the photons would speed up? Also, it doesn't make much sense to me seeing as pair creation doesn't actually change the speed of light in a vacuum, it just may make it slightly longer for a signal to traverse a given distance in a vacuum, if anything.
4. That's not really what the OP was asking.

1. It is applicable. Light bouncing between 2 mirrors forms a clock, clock is affected by time dilation, do you agree?
2. Correct
3. Correct - because vacuum energy is lower than in the 'normal' vacuum. In case of EM field pair production is, on the contrary, more probable. So the effect reverses it's sign.
4. Who cares )
 
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tzimie said:
It is applicable. Light bouncing between 2 mirrors forms a clock, clock is affected by time dilation, do you agree?

I do not agree. What you are measuring here when you are referring to the speed of light slowing down is coordinate velocity, not actual velocity as measured by a local observer.

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Who cares
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Orodruin said:
I do not agree. What you are measuring here when you are referring to the speed of light slowing down is coordinate velocity, not actual velocity as measured by a local observer.

Agreed, but experimenter usually is too big to fit between plates of capacitor, so he/she is looking at it from the "outside", observing the coordinate velocity.
 

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