Is the spin of a photon necessarily parallel or antiparallel to its momentum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of a photon's spin angular momentum in relation to its momentum, particularly whether it is necessarily parallel or antiparallel to its direction of motion. Participants explore theoretical implications, measurements, and the application of various mathematical frameworks to massless particles like photons.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if a particle moves at the speed of light, its spin angular momentum must align with its movement direction, leading to possible measurements of hbar, 0, or -hbar.
  • Others argue that the photon does not have a spin component of 0, only +1 or -1, and that the magnitude of its spin angular momentum is always hbar.
  • One participant notes that while the spin eigenstate in the z-direction indicates +1 or -1, the values for other components are undefined, suggesting a distribution of spin in directions perpendicular to the momentum.
  • Another participant challenges the application of SO(3) results to photons, stating that the appropriate framework is the two-dimensional Poincare group, which leads to different implications for the expectation values of spin components.
  • There is acknowledgment that using SO(3) for photons may be an oversimplification and potentially misleading.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between a photon's spin and its momentum, with no consensus reached on whether the spin must be aligned with the direction of motion or the implications of various mathematical frameworks.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential misapplication of mathematical frameworks to massless particles, unresolved definitions of spin components, and the complexities inherent in quantum mechanics that challenge straightforward interpretations.

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I ask only because I thought that if a particle moves at the speed of light, its spin angular momentum must be along the axis of its movement (parallel or antiparallel). That said, if one were to measure the component of a photon's spin angular momentum along its direction of movement, one would inevitably get hbar, 0, or -hbar. The magnitude of the photon's spin angular momentum must be root-2 * hbar, but since this is greater than any possible value of the component in the direction of motion, musn't there be another non-zero component?
 
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No, you're trying to apply formulas that only apply to particles with mass, like S2 = S(S+1). The photon does not have a state with spin component 0, just +1 or -1.
 
OK, thanks--to make sure I understand, then, the magnitude of a photon's spin angular momentum is in fact always hbar?
 
The "problem" exists even for the massless photon b/c S3= +1 or -1 but S² = 2.

The solution is that even if the values for S1 and S2 are undefined b/c S3 has a sharp value +1 or-1, these two values are not zero. So the modulus of S² is "distributed in S3 and in the directions perpendicular to the 3-axis".

Caveat: it does not really makes sense to try to find the right words b/c spin is intrinsically quantum. What one can savely say is that the formulas predict the experimentally results correctly.
 
Oh, OK, in that case is it not true that the spin angular momentum of the photon must be along its direction of motion? I thought I had been led to believe that that was the case.
 
Of course the spin eigenstate in z-direction (better: helicity) means either +1 or -1, never 0. But the state is not an eigenstate to the other two operators.

Sz|+1> = |+1>
S²|+1> = 2|+1>
<+1|Sx² + Sy²|+1> = <+1|S² - Sz²|+1> = 2-1 = 1

... strange but true ...
 
I guess I'm not understanding this either, Tom. I think you're also quoting SO(3) results where they do not apply. Sx2 + Sy2 + Sz2 with eigenvalues s(s+1) is the Casimir operator for SO(3). And as I'm sure you know, the little group for a photon is not SO(3) but the two-dimensional Poincare group, in which [s1, s2] = 0. For a photon state with helicity n, s1|n> = 0 and s2|n> = 0, the expectation of s12 + s22 is zero, and the eigenvalue of the Casimir operator is just n2.
 
Bill is right; my idea to use SO(3) for photons is an oversimplification, misleading - or simply wrong :-(

The formula is correct, but does not apply to massless spin-1 vector bosons.
 

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