Is the Spin-Statistics Theorem a Proof or Just a Postulate?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the Spin-Statistics Theorem, questioning whether it should be considered a mathematical theorem or merely a postulate. Participants explore various interpretations and proofs related to the theorem, touching on topics in quantum field theory, particle statistics, and the implications of different particle types.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses skepticism about the proof of the Spin-Statistics Theorem found on Wikipedia, suggesting that quantizing a two-component complex Klein-Gordon field could yield spin-1/2 particles that follow Bose statistics.
  • Another participant questions the feasibility of transforming a doublet of complex Klein-Gordon fields into a spin-1/2 field, indicating a need for a clear technical exposition from established literature.
  • A later reply discusses the postulated transformations for rotations and boosts, asserting that these transformations introduce internal angular momentum to the field while maintaining the Klein-Gordon equation for both components.
  • One participant presents an elementary proof from a paper, highlighting key points such as the representation of massive spin-s one-particle states and the mathematical fact that indices anticommute upon permutation, which aligns with the phases described by the theorem.
  • Another participant favors the proof in Weinberg's work and critiques a previous proof for assuming properties that should be demonstrated, arguing that the existence of interacting nonrelativistic spin-0 fermions challenges the validity of certain proofs of the theorem.
  • Concerns are raised about the triviality of the spin-0 theorem, with one participant suggesting that locality arguments can be relaxed and that the theorem may simply arise from the mathematical formulation of the theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of various proofs and interpretations of the Spin-Statistics Theorem. There is no consensus on whether the theorem is a mathematical fact or a postulate, and multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the proofs discussed, including assumptions about wavefunction behavior and the implications of locality. The discussion highlights the complexity of the theorem and its proofs without reaching definitive conclusions.

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Is it really a mathematical theorem or more like a "spin-statistics postulate"?

I checked the apparent proof in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin-statistics_theorem but didn't get very convinced. If two electrons have some arbitrary spatial wave functions, you cannot switch them by rotation in general.

To me it seems, that if one quantisizes a two component complex Klein-Gordon field [itex]\phi\in\mathbb{C}^2[/itex], with appropriately postulated transformations with sigma matrices, one gets a theory of spin-1/2 particles that obey bose-statistics.
 
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I really wonder how you could turn a dublet of complex KG fields into a spin 1/2 field... Hmm...

For a clear, technical and complete exposition of the Pauli- Lueders spin-statistics theorem see any book on axiomatical QFT. Lopuszanski, Bogolyubov, Streater & Wightman, Jost, etc.
 
dextercioby said:
I really wonder how you could turn a dublet of complex KG fields into a spin 1/2 field... Hmm...

They are not intended to be two independent scalar fields, but transformations

[tex]e^{-i\theta\cdot\sigma/2}[/tex] for rotations

and

[tex]e^{\eta\cdot\sigma/2}[/tex] for boosts

are postulated. This brings the internal angular momentum to the field. Equation of motion is just the Klein-Gordon equation for the both components separately.
 
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Here's an elementary proof: http://arxiv.org/abs/1008.5382

Main points (omitting some subtleties like the massless particles and internal groups):
1) As shown by Wigner, massive spin-s one-particle states carry 2s indices of the SU(2) ("little group") fundamental representation. This is discussed also in some textbooks, although it is not standard material.
2) It is a known mathematical fact that such indices anticommute if they are permuted. I show this in the paper, and it is also mentioned in e.g. the QFT book by M. Srednicki, page 428.
3) Exchanging two one-particle states with such indices involves (2s)^2 permutations, reproducing exactly the phases given by the theorem.

Cheers,
Lauri

P.S. If there is someone who likes the paper and has publications in hep-theory, quant or math-ph, I could use endorsements to submit my other preprints.
 
I like the proof in Weinberg. Srednicki uses Weinberg's method to show that interacting, relativistic spin-0 particles must be bosons (ch.4).

lsuorant, I don't believe your proof is valid. For spin-0, it is tantamount to assuming that the wavefunction must be even on particle exchange; but this is just what you should be trying to prove! The Berry-Robbins "proof" has the same problem.

Srednicki, in ch.1, constructs a system of interacting, nonrelativistic, spin-0 fermions (see eqs.1.32 and 1.38). Since there is nothing mathematically wrong with this system, its existence demonstrates that relativity must be a necessary ingredient for a proof of the spin-statistics theorem.
 
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lsuorant, I don't believe your proof is valid. For spin-0, it is tantamount to assuming that the wavefunction must be even on particle exchange; but this is just what you should be trying to prove! The Berry-Robbins "proof" has the same problem.

Spin-0 theorem is trivial. It's equivalent saying that the complex numbers commute in products. For quite some time, I thought that locality would be required to argue spin-0 commutation, as non-commutation would immediately violate it. Of course, it's a valid argument, but can be relaxed.

I don't see how Srednicki's example is connected to this. Some people seem to think that if we take a system, quantize it with the wrong relation and do not immediately arrive in a contradiction would imply that the wrong relation is "valid" in that context. That's just funny. I could invent many non-physical relations that do not immediately violate any major principle.

Spin-statistics theorem is just something that comes in the bargain of mathematical formulation of the theory.
 

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