Is the Sun’s position in the Galaxy close to its predecessor’s position?

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The discussion revolves around the origins of the solar system, specifically whether it is positioned similarly to its predecessor's location in the galaxy and the implications of supernovae in its formation. Participants explore theories related to nebular formation, the influence of previous stellar explosions, and the potential history of the Sun itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the solar system formed from a giant gas cloud, possibly remnants of a predecessor's nova.
  • Others argue that the solar system's formation involved elements from multiple supernovae, with one participant suggesting a specific number of ten supernovae occurring around 6 billion years ago.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about the likelihood of the solar system being formed from ten supernovae due to the vast distances between stars, favoring the idea of a nearby red giant going supernova over 5 billion years ago.
  • Another participant introduces a hypothesis about the Sun having a much older history, suggesting it may have been a supernova itself or a neutron star that "evaporated" into a lower mass star, with remnants contributing to the current solar system.
  • Technical details are provided regarding neutron emission and the processes involved in the Sun's formation and luminosity, although these claims are not universally accepted.

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Participants express differing views on the number of supernovae involved in the solar system's formation and the Sun's potential history. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Some claims rely on specific interpretations of cosmochemistry and astrophysical processes, which may not be universally accepted or verified. The discussion includes speculative ideas that have not been conclusively proven.

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Since nebular theory states that our solar system formed from the gravitational collapse of a giant gas cloud.

Could this giant gas cloud be the remnants of its predecessor’s nova?
 
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Most likely. A lot of the initial elements that were used to form our solar system in the first place were remnants of older, more massive stars that went nova/supernova. Another possibility was the gas cloud could've just been leftovers of some other stars forming, but I doubt that. I'd go with your assumption being right, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. (:
 
Thanks for replying Calluuuum

I have seen that some believe that the solar system is the product of 10 supernovas that happen ~6 bya. Personally, considering the vast distances (light-years) between stars, I find this statement very unlikely and difficult to put credence in. That is why I conjecture that our solar system is the product nearby red giant that went supernova >5 bya and then condensed into our solar system.

Actually, I was thinking of coining term 'oscillating star' similar in idea to oscillating universe.
 
The solar system IS the remnant of at least 10 supernova that occurred over the last ~6 billion years. Google on cosmochemistry.
 
Hi Chronos

Chronos said:
... Google on cosmochemistry.

I did Google cosmochemistry, didn't find anything yet about 10 supernova; however, I did found the following theory at http://www.physorg.com/news167302986.html"

In the comment section there is the following reply to a previous question

BOTH ANSWERS ARE YES ! YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT !

1. Isn't it also a possibility that our sun has a much older history than now accepted? Maybe it was a supernova itself, then neutron star, which "evaporated" into a new much lower mass star of mostly hydrogen gas. Some of remnants of the supernova are the matter orbiting our sun today, including the Earth and us.

2. Now the question is how would a neutron star evaporate?

ANSWERS:

1a. Our Sun has a much older history.
1b. It exploded as the supernova 5 Gyr ago
---[Based on combined U/Pb and Pu/Xe age dating.
1c. It ejected all of the material that now orbits the Sun.
1d. Neutron stars "evaporate" by neutron emission
---[Driven by repulsive interactions between neutrons].
1e. The free neutrons decay to protons and electrons.
1f. Strong magnet fields at the core accelerate protons upward by strong.
---[Protons from the core are the carrier gas that maintains mass separation]
1g. Most protons are fused into He-4 during the upward journey
---[This generates 35% of solar luminosity; 100% of solar neutrinos]
1h. 50,000 billion metric ton of H reach the solar surface annually
---[This generates 100% of the solar wind Hydrogen].

2. Neutron-emission, driven by repulsive interactions between neutrons.

All this was explained in detail over the past 30 years and is summarized in "The Sun is a plasma diffuser that sorts atoms by mass," Physics of Atomic Nuclei 69 (2009) 1847-1856; Yadernaya Fizika 69, number 11, (November 2006); PAC: 96.20.Dt DOI: 10.1134/S106377880611007X
http://arxiv.org/.../0609509

With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel

I will continue the Google search
 
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