Is the Triplet State Entanglement the same as Singlet State Entanglement?

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The discussion revolves around the entanglement properties of the triplet state compared to the singlet state in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the definitions and characteristics of these states, including their mathematical representations and implications for entanglement. The conversation includes technical reasoning and speculative ideas about multi-particle systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the center triplet state, represented as ##|01\rangle + |10\rangle##, is also entangled, similar to the singlet state ##|01\rangle - |10\rangle##.
  • There is a discussion about the other triplet states, specifically ##|00\rangle + |11\rangle## and ##|00\rangle - |11\rangle##, with participants questioning their entanglement properties.
  • One participant mentions that local operations can transform one state into another, suggesting a relationship between the singlet and triplet states.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of "shared diagonal states" and discusses the implications of unitary matrices in relation to entanglement.
  • Speculation arises regarding the treatment of a three-particle system as a rank 3 tensor, with questions about the complexity of operations compared to two-particle systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the triplet states are entangled, but there is no consensus on the specifics of their relationships or the implications for multi-particle systems. The discussion remains open with multiple viewpoints and speculative ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the mathematical operations and transformations between states, particularly in the context of multi-particle systems. The discussion does not resolve the complexities involved in these transformations.

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Hi all! I know that the singlet state is entangled. Is the center triplet state also entangled? At first blush it seems like it should be as the state expression has the same structure with the minus sign replaced by a plus.

Thanks in advance!
 
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What's the center triplet state?

I know that the singlet state is ##|01\rangle - |10\rangle## and that the triplet states are the other three Bell basis states ##|00\rangle + |11\rangle## and ##|01\rangle + |10\rangle## and ##|00\rangle - |11\rangle## but I'm not sure what you mean by the center one.
 
Strilanc said:
What's the center triplet state?

I know that the singlet state is ##|01\rangle - |10\rangle## and that the triplet states are the other three Bell basis states ##|00\rangle + |11\rangle## and ##|01\rangle + |10\rangle## and ##|00\rangle - |11\rangle## but I'm not sure what you mean by the center one.
Haha you sorry that was a little confusing. I meant ##|01\rangle + |10\rangle##. I didn't know how to use LaTeX on here.
 
Yes, it's also entangled.

In fact, you can turn one state into the other with local operations: just rotate either one of the involved qubits 180 degrees around its Z axis.

(Actually, that's not quite the right operation if you're doing these things conditionally and the global phase factor matters. In that case one of the sides would be applying ##XZX## instead of ##Z##.)
 
Strilanc said:
Yes, it's also entangled.

Ok, thanks! So the ##|00\rangle+|11\rangle## and ##|00\rangle-|11\rangle## are entangled as well? Now that I'm looking at them there doesn't seem to be a way to factor them either.
 
looseleaf said:
Ok, thanks! So the ##|00\rangle+|11\rangle## and ##|00\rangle-|11\rangle## are entangled as well? Now that I'm looking at them there doesn't seem to be a way to factor them either.

You might find this blog post useful.

Arranging things into a grid turned out better than I expected. Suddenly, operations on half of the qubits had row-wise effects while operations on the other half had column-wise effects. [...]

[An entangled] state is a unitary matrix (times ##\sqrt{0.5}##), and all the operations correspond to multiplying the state by a unitary matrix, so the final state is also going to be a unitary matrix (times ##\sqrt{0.5}##).
 
Strilanc said:
You might find this blog post useful.
Wow thanks, that was a crazy article. So because the singlet and the triplet states are all examples of these "shared diagonal states" i.e. unitary matrices multiplied by root 2, they are all entangled states?

I am wondering about the statement at the end "This all breaks down if you have more than two parties." Why though?
I was wondering if you could maybe treat a 3-particle system as a rank 3 tensor and then instead of pre/post multiplying by ##U/U^T## you would have three different operations to hook into the appropriate index of the tensor in 3 dimensions?
 
looseleaf said:
Wow thanks, that was a crazy article. So because the singlet and the triplet states are all examples of these "shared diagonal states" i.e. unitary matrices multiplied by root 2, they are all entangled states?

Right. Their singular value decomposition is the same, and the specific grid layout is chosen so that that means you can get from one to the other with local operations.

looseleaf said:
I was wondering if you could maybe treat a 3-particle system as a rank 3 tensor and then instead of pre/post multiplying by ##U/U^T## you would have three different operations to hook into the appropriate index of the tensor in 3 dimensions?

You might be right, but there's probably a bunch of complications that make it not nearly as nice. For example, clearly it's not going to be equivalent to a unitary matrix anymore since a matrix is a 2d thing. The equivalent of a singular value decomposition is also probably a lot more gross (and would have to involve more than a single diagonal's worth of values).
 

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