Is the Universe Drawn to a Cosmic Black Hole for a New Beginning?

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The discussion revolves around a proposed theory suggesting that the universe is drawn towards a cosmic black hole or "super hole," leading to a potential new beginning akin to a second big bang. The conversation explores the implications of this theory, including the nature of the universe's expansion and the characteristics of the proposed hole.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that the universe is attracted to a hole, which is not centrally located but rather at the tip of a cone, suggesting a different geometric model of the universe.
  • Another participant argues that the proposed hole does not account for the expansion of the universe, likening it to the surface of a balloon expanding in three dimensions.
  • Several participants question the academic rigor of the sources cited by the original poster, suggesting that popular science books do not equate to a solid foundation in astrophysics or cosmology.
  • Concerns are raised about the testability of the proposed theory and whether it can predict outcomes of new observations without being overly ad hoc.
  • One participant expresses skepticism, stating that the theory resembles science fiction and does not adequately explain the current understanding of cosmic expansion.
  • The original poster clarifies that they do not reject the big bang theory but suggest that after the universe's expansion, it will eventually be drawn into the proposed hole.
  • Another participant mentions the theory of repeating big bangs as a potentially related concept, although they admit limited knowledge on the subject.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the proposed theory, with some supporting the idea that the universe is expanding while others challenge the feasibility of the "super hole" concept. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus on the theory's merit or implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the original poster's understanding of current astrophysical models and the need for a more rigorous academic background to propose new theories. There is also an emphasis on the importance of testability in scientific theories.

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the new ending!

i write a summery of my idea , please suggest on it.

i think the universe is attracting to a hole , sth like a black hole or a super black hole. the blue shifted and redshifted galaxies can affirm it.i can justify why some galaxies are blueshifted and why some of them are redshifted. this hole in my theory , is not in the center of a sphere(it means that the universe is not like a sphere) , it is in the tip of a cone.the world will attract to it compeletly and it will be another bigbang after it...
 
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at what level are we talking about? is this your topic for your PHD-thesis?
 
no its not. I'm a high school student. but i have read so many books. say every thing you want about this subject. thx
 
well the hole you put in does not account for the expansion of the universe. universe is expanding as the surface of a balloon being filled with air (but in 3D). The space itself is exapanding.

What books have you read?
 
well,i read: universe in nutshell , a brief history of time, special relativity, bigbang,and a book from mikio kako (i am not sure about the spelling)
 
you know,i have a new theory for the universe , i mean i do not believe that universe is like a balloon a think its like a cone!
 
okay but those are not academic textbooks.. I assume? There is many books called "bigbang" "special relativity" etc

It is a difference betweem reading popular science books, and studying a course. And before proposing a new theory, we need knowledge about the current paradigm and "rules" of physics. And is your theory testable? Can it predict outcomes of new observations without beeing too adhoc?

If I were you (Iam not mean) I would start study real astrophysics and cosmology at colleage after high school. If you dare =)

I still not know why you propose your theory? We have big bang model (it got nobel prize last year), what anomalies in the current paradigm can your "super hole" model account for? Is your hole an object in our universe or is it lying outside?
 
navid legoon said:
you know,i have a new theory for the universe , i mean i do not believe that universe is like a balloon a think its like a cone!


My point is that space it self expand, your hole theory does not account for that.

Sorry but your theory is just mere science fiction..

now I must do my studies.
 
malawi_glenn said:
My point is that space it self expand, your hole theory does not account for that.

I agree. Unless you were to obtain a good reason for another force expanding the universe, your theory holds no water. How could the universe expand while being
"sucked up" at the same time. Look into the theory of repeating big bangs. I don't know too much about that, but it sounds quite a bit like what you are suggesting.
 
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i am sure about the big bang theory. and i didnt say that its wrong. i think after big bang universe expanded.but i think it won't expand anymore(we think that it is expanding).it will be sucked in a hole.we all know the law that says all the matter in the world is always fixed.so when all the galaxies and every thing in universe being sucked in that hole , density of that hole will be so high like what the universe had as the first big bang.in black hole time does not exist ,so in that super hole we don't have time, and when every thing sucked in that hole it means that no time exist any more and it is compeletly like the first bigbang.
 
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Please review the PF Guidelines before proceeding any further. Pay particular attention to speculative, unverified personal theory that is NOT allowed on here. This thread has changed from you asking for an opinion, to you presenting your own pet theory. Thus, this thread is done.

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