Is the Universe's Expansion Linked to Black Holes and New Universes?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the universe's expansion, black holes, and the concept of new universes. Participants explore various theories and ideas regarding the nature of the universe, its center, and the implications of black holes in cosmology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a theory suggesting that the universe's center is a way out of a black hole, leading to the creation of new universes.
  • Several participants assert that the universe does not have a center, arguing that this makes black hole models unsuitable for cosmological explanations.
  • Another participant notes that the perception of being at the center of the universe is a matter of perspective, as everything appears to be receding from any given point.
  • One participant suggests that the Big Bang could be linked to a black hole, proposing that time behaves differently based on distance from this hypothetical black hole.
  • Another participant challenges the initial theory by stating that if black holes lead to new universes, it implies the destruction of existing ones, which raises questions about the creation of those universes.
  • A later reply emphasizes that black holes are not a universal solution to all questions in physics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on the existence of a center in the universe and the implications of black holes in cosmology. Multiple competing views remain, with no consensus reached on the proposed theories.

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Some claims rely on assumptions about the nature of black holes and the universe's expansion, which are not universally accepted. The discussion includes speculative ideas that have not been mathematically or empirically validated.

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Hello!
I have been thinking these days about the expansion of the universe and thus a theory has stroke threw my mind.
What if the center of the universe is actually the way out of a black hole and the end of the universe is a huge black hole that is attracting all mater in the universe to it and the way out of that black hole starts a new universe and so on...I don't know if you understand what i mean so i made this little drawing to be more accurate.

http://www.picz.ro/show-image.php?id=c68516d4ab0795b1d990a9a2319b7874


Sorry for the bad drawing but i am not talented at arts but in principle that is my theory.
I don't know if anyone else thought about something like that but if you have the littlest idea if it is possible pleas post.
Thank you for your time.
 
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The universe does not have a center. That's why a black hole or white hole solution, which does have a center, isn't useful as a cosmological model.
 
bcrowell said:
The universe does not have a center. That's why a black hole or white hole solution, which does have a center, isn't useful as a cosmological model.

the consider the "center" the moment of the big bang...because a huge amount of energy like that produced at the big bag must of have come from somewhere
 
Yes, it must have come from somewhere, and that somewhere is everywhere, as bcrowell said. The problem is, no matter where you stand, it always looks like the centre of the Universe is exactly where you are (because everything is receding away from you), so essentially, the centre of the Universe is nowhere and everywhere, not in a single black hole.
 
To me it seems plausable, but then again I think the big bang was an explosion of history recorded in a bandwidth of linear distance created by a single instance of present time (we call an atom) being formed in a disk of solid gravity spinning faster than time except in the center where the revolutions slow down enough to be transformed into a bandwidth we call light. But who knows.
Modeling and theorizing is kinda fun, but I'm a poet and philosopher, not a physicist, or scientist. Good luck with your understanding.
 
Kracatoan said:
Yes, it must have come from somewhere, and that somewhere is everywhere, as bcrowell said. The problem is, no matter where you stand, it always looks like the centre of the Universe is exactly where you are (because everything is receding away from you), so essentially, the centre of the Universe is nowhere and everywhere, not in a single black hole.

The universe is the center. Therefore, no matter where you stand in the universe it appears that you are the center. It's a matter of perspective.
 
there can't be a center in an expanding universe which is proven by Hubble redshift. In an expanding universe, the center is constantly changing. The fact that a black hole can lead to another universe has been considered and still is due to the principle that information cannot disappear or be destroyed. The thing about your theory is that if you go through the black hole and enter the center of another universe, then you imply that universes are being destroyed. Your theory also excludes information on how all those other universes are created.
 
maybe the the spot of the bing bang is a black hole and that the farther you get from it the more recent time is because of how time gets bent and so the farther you get from the black hole the more recent you are and the quicker time passes I am just throwing out ideas so i don't really know
 
Contrary to popular belief, black holes are not the answer to everything in Physics.
 

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