Is the Velocity of the Grapple Accurate Using Jacobian's Transformation?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the velocity of a manipulator's grapple using Jacobian's transformation, with a focus on the geometry and kinematics involved. Participants explore the derivation of certain equations related to the manipulator's configuration and seek clarification on the coordinate system used.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the accuracy of their solution using Jacobian's transformation and seeks verification.
  • Another participant asserts that the y-axis is indeed perpendicular to the z-axis, suggesting that the drawing may be a limitation of 2D representation.
  • The first participant presents equations for estimating the height (h) and radius (r) of the manipulator's grapple but does not understand how these were derived.
  • There is a suggestion that the problem may resemble a schoolwork assignment, which the original poster denies, stating their background does not include theoretical mechanics.
  • The original poster requests help in understanding the derivation of the equations and how to trace the corresponding geometric picture.
  • A later post expresses frustration at the lack of responses or ideas from other participants.

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Participants generally agree on the need for clarification regarding the equations and the coordinate system, but there is no consensus on the derivation of the equations or the appropriateness of the problem's complexity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the coordinate system and the derivation of equations that remain unresolved. The original poster's background in a different specialization may limit their understanding of the topic.

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Hello!
I have some problems with geometry/kinematics, therefore i require in your help. :nb)
I need to estimate the velocity of manipulator's grapple.
I have found one solution (with the use of Jacobian's transformation), but i don't know, right it or wrong. Let's check together :wink:
Maybe existing is an easier one, or laconic etc.
Thx!
In order:
First step. Verification of the scheme. About the xyz axes. Why y-axis isn't perpendicular with z? What is a type of coordinate system?
 

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kinfo said:
Why y-axis isn't perpendicular with z?

Is is perpendicular. That drawing is the best you can do with 3 perpendicular axes depicted on 2D paper.
 
anorlunda said:
Is is perpendicular. That drawing is the best you can do with 3 perpendicular axes depicted on 2D paper.
Thx. Great!
Then we can go forward)
Second step: estimate r and h.
h = L1+ L2*sinθ2+D1*cosθ2+(L3+d)*sin(θ2+θ3)+D2*sin(θ2+θ3)
r = L2*cosθ2 - D1*sinθ2+(L3+d)*cos(θ2+θ3)-D2*sin(θ2+θ3)
I don't understand, how it was deduced. Can you explain me on the aforementioned picture?
I must trace it by triangles? But how?
Thx.
 
This is starting to sound like a schoolwork assignment...
 
berkeman said:
This is starting to sound like a schoolwork assignment...
No-no)
It is not schoolwork) I think, that schoolboys don't learn theoretical mechanics and Jacobian's transformation)))
I have a big problem with it, cause i have an other specialization (i can't know all :sorry:)... but i must to do it(
So, can you help me with it?

Why:
h = L1+ L2*sinθ2+D1*cosθ2+(L3+d)*sin(θ2+θ3)+D2*sin(θ2+θ3)
r = L2*cosθ2 - D1*sinθ2+(L3+d)*cos(θ2+θ3)-D2*sin(θ2+θ3)?
How i must to trace the picture? Like this?

P.S. I have a full solution, but i want to understand.
 

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Sirs and Mesdames, no ideas too? :headbang:
 

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