Is The Vulcan Ear Split a Widely Recognized Tune?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the recognition and classification of the song "December" by Collective Soul, particularly whether it qualifies as a "classic" tune. Participants explore subjective definitions of what constitutes a classic song, referencing personal experiences and cultural context.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express familiarity with the song and question the need for the thread.
  • There is a debate about the definition of "classic," with some suggesting it should be at least 25 years old.
  • Others argue that the term 'classic' implies a song has withstood the test of time, while some challenge this notion.
  • Participants share personal anecdotes about their experiences with music from different eras, indicating varying perspectives on what qualifies as classic.
  • Some express strong negative opinions about the song, suggesting it is not worthy of being called a classic.
  • References are made to other songs and artists considered classic by certain participants, highlighting the subjective nature of musical classification.
  • A participant mentions a punk cover of the song, indicating a diversity of interpretations and styles related to the original piece.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definition of "classic" or whether the song qualifies as one. Multiple competing views remain regarding the subjective nature of musical classification.

Contextual Notes

Definitions of "classic" vary widely among participants, with some relying on age while others emphasize cultural impact and longevity. There are unresolved assumptions about the criteria for musical classification.

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Classic song.
 
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umm, yes. I've heard it before. You made this a thread why?
 
Cyrus said:
umm, yes. I've heard it before. You made this a thread why?

I want to see how many PFers recognize the song. It's general discussion.
 
You think this is a "classic"? Wow!
 
turbo-1 said:
You think this is a "classic"? Wow!

lol... I thought the same thing.

Its funny how things that came out when I was in grade school are played on the "classic" rock station. I'm not that old! In fact, this song came out when I was in high school.
 
Define classic.
 
It's called December by Collective Soul.
No, I don't know this song or the group either..
 
I like the song well enough, but classic? To me, Aerosmith is a new band.
 
franznietzsche said:
Define classic.

Any definition is subjective. For me, a necessary (but not sufficient) condition is that the song be at least 25 years old.
 
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George Jones said:
Any definition is subjective. For me, a necessary (but not sufficient) condition is that the song be at least 25 years old.

I generally figure 70s and earlier. A quarter century almost seems reasonable criteria though.
 
  • #11
So classic equals old? Your definitions suck.
 
  • #12
LightbulbSun said:
So classic equals old? Your definitions suck.

The term 'classic' implies that it has withstood the test of time.
 
  • #13
Speaking as someone who has lived to see the emergence of Rock and Roll from the heyday of R&B, Blues, Country, and Folk, I also have a pretty well-defined sense of what "classic" means to my generation. Eleanor Rigby, (Can't get no) Satisfaction, Mr. Tambourine Man, For What it's Worth, Mustang Sally, He Ain't Heavy, Bad Moon Risin', Black Magic Woman ... classics.
 
  • #14
Danger said:
The term 'classic' implies that it has withstood the test of time.

Ever heard of the term 'instant classic'?

Besides the song is 14 years old now.
 
  • #15
LightbulbSun said:
Besides the song is 14 years old now.
Versus songs that are twice as old or more that you can hear on the radio more or less everyday. That is what I would define as withstanding the test of time.
 
  • #16
Pearl Jam is classic. These guys came later.
 
  • #17
Stone the crows it is HORRIBLE, the sort of song one plays to get rid of guests.
 
  • #18
wolram said:
Stone the crows it is HORRIBLE, the sort of song one plays to get rid of guests.

I'm sure I can find you better music for getting rid of guests if you ever need it.

Such as...
 
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TheStatutoryApe said:
I'm sure I can find you better music for getting rid of guests if you ever need it.

Such as...



:eek::bugeye::confused::cry::confused:
 
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  • #20
You want to get rid of guests? Anything by Yoko Ono should do the trick.
 
  • #21
wolram said:
Stone the crows it is HORRIBLE, the sort of song one plays to get rid of guests.

You're horrible.
 
  • #22
TheStatutoryApe said:
Versus songs that are twice as old or more that you can hear on the radio more or less everyday. That is what I would define as withstanding the test of time.

Versus songs that fade out in a matter of a few years, I think it has withstood the test of time already.
 
  • #23
Ouabache said:
It's called December by Collective Soul.
No, I don't know this song or the group either..
Just to clarify ambiguity, after watching this clip, I was able to figure out what the song is and who performed it. But I have never heard of this group or this song before.
 
  • #24
yeah, heard it. it's a decent radio song, but not something one would buy.
 
  • #25
TheStatutoryApe said:
I'm sure I can find you better music for getting rid of guests if you ever need it.

Such as...


How is the audience NOT laughing?!?
 
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lisab said:
How is the audience NOT laughing?!?

I was 12 years old when I watched this. I was NOT laughing, I was clawing my eyes in terror. I had nightmares. I burned my Trekkie stuff that very weekend, went out and spiked my hair, bought "Never Mind the Bollocks" and slammed at a Ramones Concert.

Or maybe that was over the next three years, but anyway I think it was that particular show which tipped the scales for me.
 
  • #27
Chi Meson said:
I was 12 years old when I watched this. I was NOT laughing, I was clawing my eyes in terror. I had nightmares. I burned my Trekkie stuff that very weekend, went out and spiked my hair, bought "Never Mind the Bollocks" and slammed at a Ramones Concert.

Or maybe that was over the next three years, but anyway I think it was that particular show which tipped the scales for me.

There's also a rather good punk cover of the song.
 
  • #28
Let's be fair to Shatner. Nimoy was ALMOST as horrible at singing.

His version of MacArthur Park was capable of killing sentient beings with only minimal exposure.
 
  • #29
The Vulcan Ear Split.
 

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