Is there a way to quickly dissolve vegetable plants using acid?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using acids to quickly dissolve vegetable plants, focusing on potential chemical solutions and their practical implications. Participants explore various acids, their effectiveness, and safety concerns related to their use.

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  • One participant suggests that concentrated sulfuric acid could effectively dissolve vegetable plants, and mentions a "Piranha solution" as an even stronger option.
  • Another participant warns against the use of highly corrosive chemicals, emphasizing the dangers and impracticality of leaving such substances with untrained individuals.
  • Concerns are raised about the disposal of residual materials after using strong acids, with suggestions for safer alternatives like using sealable plastic bags or incinerators.
  • Some participants note that while concentrated sulfuric acid is available to the public, there are significant risks involved, and no method guarantees complete safety when dissolving organic matter.
  • There is a discussion about the potential environmental impact and waste management issues associated with using heavy metals in chemical solutions.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the client's motivations for wanting to dissolve the plants, suggesting that understanding the reasoning could lead to better advice.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to dissolve vegetable plants using acid. There are competing views on the effectiveness and safety of various chemical solutions, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most practical method.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on the client's specific needs and the potential hazards associated with using strong acids. The discussion highlights the complexities of chemical disposal and the risks of using hazardous materials without proper training.

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Is there is any type of acid, etc. that would be able to completely dissolve a vegetable plant upon contact, or within say a matter of minutes?

A client of my landscaping company wants to have a large container filled with a substance that she can throw her unwanted vegetable plants into and have them completely dissolve in the shortest amount of time possible, preferably on contact. Any advice, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
 
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Concentrated sulfuric acid would probably work well. A "Piranha solution" composed of hydrogen peroxide and sulfuric acid is even better and will dissolve almost anything.

Note: You need to be extremely careful with these types of solutions. Since they can dissolve the organic matter of plants, they can also dissolve your skin. Please take the necessary precautions and research the proper handling of these chemicals before attempting this.
 
Cesium said:
Concentrated sulfuric acid would probably work well. A "Piranha solution" composed of hydrogen peroxide and sulfuric acid is even better and will dissolve almost anything.

Note: You need to be extremely careful with these types of solutions. Since they can dissolve the organic matter of plants, they can also dissolve your skin. Please take the necessary precautions and research the proper handling of these chemicals before attempting this.
OBX, Don't listen!
Cesium! YOU GOTTA BE JOKING!
:bugeye:
While you were at it, why not chrome/sulphuric or sulphuric acid/permanganate and REALLY make a job of it?

Nothing of that kind is suitable except for professional chemists or similarly appropriately trained professionals to work with! You want to leave a bucket of the like with folks who probably couldn't even find a suitable container? What about fume control and splashing? The very request is a giveaway; the woman hasn't a clue what she is asking, and would have no idea of the hazards or how to deal with emergencies. (What emergencies, were you going to ask? If so, your own practical chemical expertise could do with a bit of dusting off.)

And how the gyp is she to dispose of the residual crud once it stops working? Besides, chemical solution of such material would be really expensive and wasteful. And smelly too.

The user requirement is characteristically unpractical; she would do far better with sealable plastic garbage bags, possibly sprinkled periodically with some dry lime, powdered clay, or cat litter. Or even consider a dedicated incinerator with an output filter if she insists on instant destruction. Cheaper, safer, cleaner than any reasonable alternative short of a composter or fermenter. :

For a start, does anyone know why she wants it? Tidiness? Disease control? Aesthetics? Unless we know, we cannot give sound advice.

Jon :rolleyes:
 
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While you were at it, why not chrome/sulphuric or sulphuric acid/permanganate and REALLY make a job of it?

Have to deal with heavy metal waste then. Also it's unlikely a nonchemist would have access to these materials.

Concentrated sulfuric acid (98%) is sold in drain cleaners and is something that the general public does, in fact, deal with. One can carefully neutralize H2SO4 with bicarbonate to give harmless sodium sulfate. I'm not saying I'd do it or that one should do it, but he or she is asking a chemistry forum. Clearly, there's no 100% safe way to dissolve organic matter "upon contact."
 
Cesium said:
Have to deal with heavy metal waste then. Also it's unlikely a nonchemist would have access to these materials.

If the result of the effect of the H2SO4 is not complete oxidation as in a Kjeldahl, the resulting sludge is not likely to be much healthier than a manganese sludge. The Cr might be a bit worse of course.

Concentrated sulfuric acid (98%) is sold in drain cleaners and is something that the general public does, in fact, deal with.
Point taken, but not with peroxide right? In my book that would count as a pretty sprightly cocktail.:bugeye:


One can carefully neutralize H2SO4 with bicarbonate to give harmless sodium sulfate. I'm not saying I'd do it or that one should do it, but he or she is asking a chemistry forum. Clearly, there's no 100% safe way to dissolve organic matter "upon contact."

Well gee man! You could have mentioned that to the straight man (or woman) instead of idly remarking that it could be bad for the complexion or YMMV...

So obx, you have been warned: cesium might not do it, I would only do it under exceptional circumstantial duress, and I suspect that in our cooler moments neither of us would enthusiastically recommend it to your friend!
Particularly without knowing the reasoning behind the request, apart from a taste for pyrotechnics or an alkahest.

Cheers,
Jon
 

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