Is there really matter or just different ways for energy to interact?

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The discussion explores the nature of matter and energy, questioning whether matter truly exists as distinct objects or if it is merely different ways for energy to interact. Participants delve into concepts such as wave-particle duality, energy functions, and the implications of quantum mechanics, string theory, and the Pauli exclusion principle.

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  • One participant suggests that matter may not be actual objects but rather sets of energy functions that interact under certain conditions.
  • Another participant questions the distinction between "object" and "thing," proposing that there may be no irreducible pieces of matter, only modes of energy interaction.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the wave nature of matter particles in quantum mechanics, leading to a recursive understanding of particles and waves.
  • One participant references string theory and M-theory, suggesting that matter and energy could be described by oscillations in a higher-dimensional construct, while acknowledging the uncertainty surrounding these theories.
  • Another participant attributes the inability of an arm to pass through a wall to the Pauli exclusion principle, noting that this principle prevents fermions in different objects from occupying the same space.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of matter and energy, with no consensus reached on whether matter is a distinct entity or merely a manifestation of energy interactions.

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Participants highlight the complexity of quantum mechanics and the limitations of current understanding, particularly regarding the Pauli exclusion principle and the implications of string theory.

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I am not an academic physicist, just a person who is interested in the subject. But I think I have a handle on the basics.

But from all that I have gathered, it would appear that there really is no such thing as things. We say that there is a wave-particle duality. That photons for example, act as both a particle and a wave. But the reason we say it behaves as a particle is that it will deflect or impart energy.

But is the reason it does this because it is an actual object or because it will simply not interact with other things at certain energies?

Again, it would seem to me that all that exists, or "matter". Is not really a thing or an object, but just a set of energy functions that will interact with each other but not other energy functions.

The energy functions that make up my body will interact with each other, but will not allow me to interact with a wall. But it doesn't mean that there is some sort of object there.

I think I may be getting a little deep in the weeds. But in sum, seems to me that the universe is really nothing more than just a huge mathematical function that can be solved at some points to indicate matter.

Thoughts?
 
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What is the difference, in your mind, between an "object" and a "thing"?
 
good question. i guess an irreducible piece of matter. it would seem that there is no such thing. and its not because we just get smaller and smaller things (protons/neutrons, quarks, etc...) its just because those things aren't solid objects at all, but rather different modes of energy interaction. or, again, my arm cannot go through a wall, because that type of energy interaction cannot occur, not because there are solid things colliding.
 
There really isn't a difference. See, Quantum Mechanics describes matter particles as waves. Which are then taken to operator formalism and described as particles. So you have particles made up of waves made up of particles made up of waves... You get the idea. It's worse than chicken or the egg, because it really does run ad infinitum, and besides, nobody really cares.
 
we may never know according to nobel laureate Robert Laughlin:

http://fortunecity.com/emachines/e11/86/beneath.html

On a more optimistic note, the current consensus is that matter/energy is described by oscillations of space-time embedded in a higher dimensional construct (string theory, M-theory ...)

String theory looks on the right track here, since we observe oscillatory phenomena in quantum mechanics, and non-locality observations would suggest a higher dimensional background to 3d "reality" (Note also that a low dimensional "cross-section" of a higher dimensional oscillation is usually still observed as an oscillation)

It's frustrating to live in an age where we just don't know, imagine living at the time of Aristotle and not even understanding fire, or magnetic/electrical effects.

btw, the reason your arm doesn't go through a wall is due to the pauli exclusion principle (Dyson, Lenard 1967), some mechanism in nature prevents the fermions (superstring oscillations) in your arm occupying the same space as the fermions (superstring oscillations) in the wall. We don't know why the exclusion principle exists, but it's what makes everyday objects occupy bulk space.
 
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