Is this description of a black hole accurate?

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The discussion centers around the nature of supermassive black holes, particularly the experience of traveling through one, and the characteristics of the matter found within them, including the concept of superhot dense plasma. Participants explore various claims made by a scientist regarding the conditions inside a black hole and the implications for survival and travel.

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  • Some participants question the accuracy of the scientist's claim that one could travel through a supermassive black hole without being torn apart, noting that tidal forces would ultimately lead to spaghettification.
  • Others argue that while tidal forces may be weak at the event horizon, once inside, one cannot escape and will eventually reach the singularity.
  • A participant suggests that the scientist's description of superhot dense plasma could refer to quark-gluon plasma, but there is uncertainty about what exactly exists inside a black hole.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the existence of superheated plasma at the center of a black hole, stating that the consensus is that spaghettification would occur before reaching any such plasma.
  • One participant mentions that in rotating black holes, it may be possible to avoid the singularity, which complicates the discussion about travel through black holes.
  • Another participant references high-energy collisions that could occur near the inner horizon of rotating or charged black holes, suggesting that these conditions might lead to the creation of quark-gluon plasma.

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Participants generally disagree on the nature of travel through a black hole and the conditions inside it. There are competing views regarding the existence and characteristics of plasma within black holes, as well as the implications of tidal forces and singularities.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the internal structure of black holes and the definitions of terms like "plasma." The discussion reflects a range of hypotheses and uncertainties about the physical conditions present inside black holes.

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This discussion may be of interest to writers, educators, and enthusiasts exploring the concepts of black holes and their implications in science fiction and theoretical physics.

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Hi

I am currently writing a sci fi book for children, and I would like to know how it would feel to travel through a supermassive black hole.



In this link a scientist claims that there is superhot dense plasma in black holes. I wonder if his description of a supermassive black hole, and how it would be to travel through it, is accurate? And is the "super hot dense plasma" quark-gluon plasma? For instance, he claims that we would not be "torned apart" if we entered a supermassive black hole. He says that the tidal forces are weak enough for you to travel deep into the black hole.
 
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Elonmusk said:
Hi

I am currently writing a sci fi book for children, and I would like to know how it would feel to travel through a supermassive black hole.



In this link a scientist claims that there is superhot dense plasma in black holes. I wonder if his description of a supermassive black hole, and how it would be to travel through it, is accurate? And is the "super hot dense plasma" quark-gluon plasma? For instance, he claims that we would not be "torned apart" if we entered a supermassive black hole. He says that the tidal forces are weak enough for you to travel deep into the black hole.

Although the tidal forces at the Event Horizon ARE, as you say, weak enough to allow you to travel beyond it without getting spaghetified right away, you will never come out again, so there is no such thing as "travel through" a black hole and once you are inside the EH, you cannot stop yourself from reaching the singularity, and you will be spaghetified before you get there.
 
phinds said:
Although the tidal forces at the Event Horizon ARE, as you say, weak enough to allow you to travel beyond it without getting spaghetified right away, you will never come out again, so there is no such thing as "travel through" a black hole and once you are inside the EH, you cannot stop yourself from reaching the singularity, and you will be spaghetified before you get there.
Hi

The scientist actually claims that you can travel inside a black hole without being spagetthified - safely until you reach its depths where superheated plasma will kill.

@23:25 you can hear the explanation.

Thanks
 
Elonmusk said:
Hi

The scientist actually claims that you can travel inside a black hole without being spagetthified - safely until you reach its depths where superheated plasma will kill.

@23:25 you can hear the explanation.

Thanks
There is no evidence for a super heated plasma at the center, so the consensus is that you will be sphagettified once you are deep enough inside.
 
Elonmusk said:
The scientist actually claims that you can travel inside a black hole without being spagetthified
That is correct - but you can't survive in there for a long time.
Elonmusk said:
safely until you reach its depths where superheated plasma will kill.
I don't think plasma is a good word here. We don't know what is inside, but we know it won't look like a normal plasma. And tidal forces will kill you first.
 
mfb said:
That is correct - but you can't survive in there for a long time.I don't think plasma is a good word here. We don't know what is inside, but we know it won't look like a normal plasma. And tidal forces will kill you first.

So the scientist claims that we can travel past the event horizon without being torn apart, and:

"But, deep down inside the black hole, the centrifugal force of the rotation of the black hole provides repulsion. If their is any matter at all inside it then stuff that is falling in [you or me] will tend to collide with stuff that is trying to get out, and the result of that collision of energy is a choatic maelstrom of superhot dense plasma, which will roast you."

I wonder if that is true? And, if you can find plasma like this in the black hole, is it the so called quark-gluon plasma or something else?

Thank you
 
phinds said:
Although the tidal forces at the Event Horizon ARE, as you say, weak enough to allow you to travel beyond it without getting spaghetified right away, you will never come out again, so there is no such thing as "travel through" a black hole and once you are inside the EH, you cannot stop yourself from reaching the singularity, and you will be spaghettified before you get there.
In a Schwarzschild black hole, you must proceed toward the singularity, but in a rotating black hole, which is what they're talking about in the video, it's possible to avoid the singularity.
 
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Nerophysics said:
I found the guys website, and he got pages dedicated to exploring "inside black holes" with words and supercomputers. However, nothing about the plasma thing, yet.

http://jila.colorado.edu/~ajsh/insidebh/intro.html

Hi. See below*

It happens in any black hole that has an inner horizon, which means any rotating or charged black hole. Schwarzschild is the only exception. The conditions are hyper-relativistic and out of equilibrium. Undoubtedly there will be collisions similar to those in RHIC or LHC, producing localized collision regions where there is a quark-gluon plasma. Generically collision energies will be far higher than any earth-based accelerator. Basically, any hyper-energetic collision you could imagine probably happens in the inflationary regime near the inner horizon.

*I've always wanted to say that. An homage to Peter.
 
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tionis said:
Hi. See below*
*I've always wanted to say that. An homage to Peter.
Thank you!
 

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