Is this statement about the rank of a linear map true or false?

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The discussion centers around the validity of the statement regarding the rank of a linear map T: U → V, specifically whether Rank(T) ≤ (dim(U) + dim(V))/2. Participants explore the implications of this statement, providing proofs, counterexamples, and clarifications related to linear maps and their ranks.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the statement is true, providing proofs based on the properties of finite-dimensional vector spaces and the relationship between rank and nullity.
  • Others express that the statement should be interpreted with caution, noting that it may depend on the specific characteristics of the linear map T.
  • A participant requests a counterexample to illustrate a case where (dim(U) + dim(V))/2 > Rank(T), prompting further exploration of conditions under which this occurs.
  • Some participants propose that if T is not invertible, then the rank of T is less than the dimension of U, leading to the conclusion that (dim(U) + dim(V))/2 can exceed Rank(T).
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between the rank of a matrix and the number of pivot columns, suggesting that this provides a basis for understanding the rank in relation to the dimensions of U and V.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the truth of the statement. While some argue in favor of its validity, others highlight the need for caution and the potential for counterexamples, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of rank and nullity, as well as the specific conditions of the linear map T, which may affect the validity of the statement.

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Is this statement true or false

if false a counterexample is needed

if true then an explanation

If T : U \rightarrow V is a linear map, then Rank(T) \leq (dim(U) + dim(V ))/2
 
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Is this a homework problem? If so, it should be posted in the homework section of the forum.

In any case, this looks true to me. Here's my proof.

Suppose U and V are finite-dimensional vector spaces and T \colon U \to V is linear. Since \text{ran}(T) \subseteq V (where ran(T) is the range of T), then rank(T) \leq dimV. Also, by the dimension theorem, dimU = rank(T) + nullity(T). Putting these two facts together, we have

<br /> \frac{dimU + dimV}{2} \geq \frac{dimU + rank(T)}{2} = \frac{rank(T) + nullity(T) + rank(T)}{2} = rank(T) + \frac{nullity(T)}{2} \geq rank(T)<br />
 
Well strickly speaking, spamiam's equation should be read Right to Left, but otherwise this is absolutely true.
 
spamiam said:
Is this a homework problem? If so, it should be posted in the homework section of the forum.

In any case, this looks true to me. Here's my proof.

Suppose U and V are finite-dimensional vector spaces and T \colon U \to V is linear. Since \text{ran}(T) \subseteq V (where ran(T) is the range of T), then rank(T) \leq dimV. Also, by the dimension theorem, dimU = rank(T) + nullity(T). Putting these two facts together, we have

<br /> \frac{dimU + dimV}{2} \geq \frac{dimU + rank(T)}{2} = \frac{rank(T) + nullity(T) + rank(T)}{2} = rank(T) + \frac{nullity(T)}{2} \geq rank(T)<br />


Hey, thank you I understand now. Could you give me an example where (dimU + dimV)/2 > rankT
 
It is not at all difficult to make up examples.
Suppose U and V have the same dimension but T in not invertible. Then (dim U+ dim V)/2= dim U> rank of T

If T is invertible, then V must have dimension at least equal to the dimension of U. If T is invertible and dim(U)= dim(V), then (dim(U)+ dim(V))/2= dim(U)= rank of T but if dim(V)> dim(U), (dim(U)+ dim(V))/2> dim(U)= rank(T).
 
HallsofIvy said:
It is not at all difficult to make up examples.
Suppose U and V have the same dimension but T in not invertible. Then (dim U+ dim V)/2= dim U> rank of T


okay, in this case, why is dim U > Rank T ?

I'm not sure how to use the fact that it is non-singular
 
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If T is not invertible, then it kernel is not trivial (there exist non-zero v such that T(v)= 0) and its nullity (dimension of the kernel) is greater than 0. rank(T)+ nullity(T)= dim(V) (which equals dim(U) in this example) so that rank(T)= dim(U)- nullity(T)< dim(U)/
 
HallsofIvy said:
If T is not invertible, then it kernel is not trivial (there exist non-zero v such that T(v)= 0) and its nullity (dimension of the kernel) is greater than 0. rank(T)+ nullity(T)= dim(V) (which equals dim(U) in this example) so that rank(T)= dim(U)- nullity(T)< dim(U)/

great got it, thanks
 
this follows from the meaning of dimension and rank.

i.e. if v1,...vn is a basis for U, then the rank of T is the dimension of the span of Tv1,...,.Tvn.thus rankT ≤ min{dimU, dimV} ≤ (dim(U) + dim(V ))/2.
 
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another proof uses the notion of rank of a matrix as the number of pivot columns in a reduced form. this is obviously no greater than the number of all columns, and since there is at most one pivot per row, also no greater than the number of rows.

try cooking up a matrix defining a map R-->R of rank less than one.
 

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