Is this zero backlash or am I missing something?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of zero backlash in gear systems, specifically focusing on the application of preloading techniques to minimize backlash during load reversals. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects of gear engagement and the implications of design choices on backlash.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about achieving zero backlash with their proposed gear arrangement and seeks feedback on their theory regarding gear engagement during directional changes.
  • Another participant questions which flank of the gear teeth will be driving and asserts that there will be backlash due to the necessary physical gap between the gears, which could lead to separation during load reversals.
  • A subsequent post suggests that while a gap is necessary, using split-gears preloaded against each other might be a solution to reduce backlash.
  • Another participant argues that preloading gears with springs can eliminate backlash unless the load exceeds the spring tension, which could then lead to erratic backlash. They also emphasize the importance of correct gear profiles to minimize mechanical noise and enhance performance.
  • This participant further notes that if the system operates at speed, non-spring-based torque applications may be necessary, highlighting that tooth profile becomes critical in such scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether zero backlash can be achieved in the proposed system. There are competing views regarding the effectiveness of preloading and the implications of gear design on backlash.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about gear profiles, the necessity of gaps in gear design, and the conditions under which backlash may occur. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or mechanical specifics of the proposed solutions.

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Hello guys,

I am quite unsure if this application I have will be zero backlash using the solution in the attached image. I don't really have any means to test this so asking around sounds like a good feedback chance.
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I haven't decided yet on the preloading solution but it will be done so that both driven gears will be pushing the motor gear as shown in the img. At this point, when motor stops and starts turning in the other direction, there should be zero time when any driven gear is not engaged by the motor gear's teeth. Or at least this is my theory.

Thanks for your feedback.
 
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Which flank of the tooth will be driving? Which flank of the tooth does each driven gear preload onto?

No it's not zero backlash because there is physically a gap (which needs to be there) between the gears, so if/when you get a load reversal the contact will separate.
 
Made a second drawing (actually this is more closely inline with my original idea):

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But then again, if the gap needs to be there (which is quite obvious), there will always be backlash unless split-gears preloaded against each other are employed...
 
Preloading the gears (springs) will always stop backlash unless the load exceeds the tension of the springs when erratic backlash will occur. Make sure your gear profiles are correct otherwise the mechanical noise (perturbations) involved in the mesh will greatly reduce any benefits of removing the backlash. Presumably, the system will not run at speed, unless you have some non-spring-based torquing of the system, like small motors, applying constant torque. If this is the case, tooth profile becomes the dominant property to address.
 

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