Gear Ratios and Constant Power/Torque: find max velocity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between gear ratios, torque, and maximum velocity in mechanical systems. Participants explore how gear ratios influence angular acceleration and maximum output speed under the assumption of constant torque and ideal conditions.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that while a high torque configuration is typically associated with low speed, their calculations suggest that a higher gear ratio results in greater maximum angular velocity, assuming constant torque and 100% efficiency.
  • Another participant states the relationship between power, torque, and RPM, emphasizing that power is the product of torque and RPM.
  • A different viewpoint explains that the speed ratio of the output gear to the motor gear is determined by the diameters of the gears, independent of motor power or load on the output gear.
  • One participant raises a concern that assuming constant motor torque at increasing speeds implies limitless power, which is not realistic in practical scenarios due to factors like torque drop at higher speeds and limitations of power supply.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of gear ratios on velocity and power. There is no consensus on the relationship between gear ratios and maximum velocity, as some argue for the theoretical aspects while others highlight practical limitations.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that real motors experience torque drop with increasing speed, and practical constraints such as battery power limits and airflow restrictions can affect performance, which may not be fully accounted for in theoretical calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in mechanical engineering, robotics, or any field involving gear systems and power transmission dynamics.

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I'm trying to determine how exactly gear ratio limits velocity. I know that a high torque configuration is generally regarded as low speed, but my calculations do not seem to support that.

Basically, I've written a small problem where we have an input gear with constant torque and an output gear with a load on it. If I apply a gear ratio of 1, I get a lower angular acceleration than if I do a gear ratio of 10 (output has 10 times the teeth) -- this makes sense.

When calculating maximum angular velocity though (assuming about 0.3*<omega> on the output gear), I get a maximum velocity that is much larger than with a lower gear ratio. The torque is the same, the power required is very large (orders of magnitude difference). I am assuming 100% transmission efficiency.

So, if we have a motor which can produce constant torque regardless of RPM (possibly in excess of 22000) while being able to provide the necessary power, is it reasonable to say that the output gear would be driven at a faster speed than if the gear ratio was 1? Attached is a quick sketch of my problem.
 

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Rate of energy flow = Power = Torque * RPM.
 
Simply put, the speed ratio of the output gear to the motor gear is the inverse of the output gear diameter / motor gear diameter, i.e for a 1/3 gear ratio the output gear rpm will 3 times the motor rpm. This speed ratio totally independent of the motor power or the output gear loading.
 
If you assume constant motor torque regardless of its speed, you are essentially allowing it to produce limitless power as its speed increases. Your best acceleration is with an extremely high amount of gear reduction, and the torque multiplication that comes with it. But your motor speed would be extremely high, and since power = torque times angular velocity, your power would have to be huge.
In real motors, torque will drop with higher speed, batteries are limited in how much power they can supply, and air flow restriction into an engine limits its power.
 

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