News Is Using Pain Rays in Prisons a Humane Alternative for Riot Control?

[Newai]

We have more people in prison than any other country, and a lot of them end up returning to prison. It is unsustainable to continue at this rate, and if it becomes economical to just kill them for a second offense, then I support that idea. And if their children become criminals, repeat and rinse.
Where do you get this idea that people are valuable? That somehow criminals have the same value as noncriminals??

It is easy to come up with 'humane' ethics if you are surrounded by peace and serenity. Once you experience crime first hand, experience being involved in a gun fight with bullets flying around you and chldren scattering away, you only want one thing - to have the shooter put down, period. No courts, no prison expenses, no long eulogy. Just aim and pull the trigger.

(wikipedia):

A 2002 study survey showed that among nearly 275,000 prisoners released in 1994, 67.5% were rearrested within 3 years, and 51.8% were back in prison.

The average annual operating cost per state inmate in 2001 was $22,650, or $62.05 per day;

And with that I'd like to bring you back to something you maybe missed:

"I'd also like some assurance from you that if this became the norm, letting inmates have their way with each other, that the lawbreakers will not be any more inclined to kill their victims to avoid the harsher prison life you condone."

Where do you get this idea that people are valuable? That somehow criminals have the same value as noncriminals??

Where do you read that in my posts? If I thought they had the same "value," then I'd not support a justice system at all. Every one of my replies to your comments on this subject are to the contrary.

Anyway, you're not really answering my questions, but rather trying to appeal to my emotions. Not a solid line of reasoning.

 

[cronxeh]

First of all I did not see a question from you there, just a bunch of words strapped together by loose interpretation of my ideas. I left no "convict to chance", I already said if they are in prison (that is by the way after you are convicted), and you are in a fight, you should have the high probability of being shot to death (hence the roll of a dice).

I don't appeal to your emotions, I question the philosophy of those who pondered over ethics of humane treatment of people and animals, while themselves questionably been subject to violence. What kind of silly question is that? Assurances from me? I can assure you if I was the guard in that prison and the fight broke out, I would aim at the instigators and shoot to kill, that is all the assurances I can give since I am only responsible for my own actions.

For you to ask assurances from me on other people's actions is idiotic.

 

[Newai]

For you to ask assurances from me on other people's actions is idiotic.

I withdraw.

 

[nismaratwork]

I withdraw.

That is the only rational action to take when dealing with an irrational person who isn't really invested in a "conversation".

 

[mugaliens]

Do actions not have consequences anymore? What kind of nonsense is it when you can commit crime, be appoined a free lawyer, sent to prison and fed, clothed, provided with medical care, and even entertained and educated all at the expense of the society you commited crimes upon?

I'd much rather them exiting prison having learned an employable trade than having nothing and going right back into a life of crime.

 

[alt]

The average annual operating cost per state inmate in 2001 was $22,650, or $62.05 per day;

A lot cheaper than ours (probably economies of scale);

Prisoners in Australia
A snapshot of the Australian prison population as of 30 June 2004 (Australian Bureau of Statistics; ABS 2004a), showed that there were 24,171 adults held in custody in Australia. Australian prisons are, on average, currently operating at around maximum capacity (see SCRGSP 2005). The total expenditure on Australian prisons in the financial year 2003/04 was $1.6 billion, with the recurrent cost of maintaining a single prisoner averaged at $162 per day (SCRGSP 2005).

http://www.ag.gov.au/agd/WWW/ncphome.nsf/Page/Publications_Intervention_for_prisoners_returning_to_the_community_a1-Introduction