Is y=0 a Lost Solution in Differential Equations?

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The discussion revolves around the treatment of the solution y=0 in the context of differential equations, specifically addressing whether it can be considered a lost solution when certain manipulations are performed during the solving process. The scope includes theoretical considerations and practical examples related to ordinary differential equations (ODEs).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how to verify if y=0 is a solution of a differential equation.
  • It is suggested that dividing by a variable can lead to the loss of potential solutions, such as y=0, which cannot be ignored.
  • A participant provides an example involving the ODE \(\frac{dy}{dx}-y=e^{2x}y^{3}\) and discusses the implications of finding y=0 as a solution.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of checking solutions by equating the left-hand side (LHS) and right-hand side (RHS) of the equation, demonstrating that y=0 satisfies the equation.
  • There is a recognition from one participant of having overlooked the trivial equilibrium solution y=0, highlighting its significance.

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Participants express differing views on the status of y=0 as a solution, with some asserting it is indeed a solution while others suggest it may be lost during the solving process. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the treatment of trivial solutions in differential equations.

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Limitations include the potential oversight of trivial solutions in the solving process and the dependence on the specific manipulations performed on the differential equation.

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When solving a Diff. Eq. how do we know that y=0 is another solution lost when we solved it?
 
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You don't know how to check if y = 0 is a solution of a DE?
 
Whatever you divided by is potentially lost as a (when set to zero)solution of your differential equation. So for example, y2 = y*y' you divide by y to get y=y' and you know the solution of that, but since you divided both sides by y, you need to check the case when y=0, since you can't divide by y when y=0
 
Thank you for the replies. For NoMoreExams an example here: I did an ODE \frac{dy}{dx}-y=e^{2x}y^{3}

and solved it using bournulli's method to get

y=\sqrt{\frac{2}{-e^{2x} + Ce^{-2x}}}

My professor said y = 0 was lost in that solution.

So I place y = 0 in the original diff eq. to get

\frac{dy}{dx}-0=e^{2x}0^{3}

which is

\frac{dy}{dx}=0

which seems weird
 
Remember how you check solutions, LHS = RHS

Since

y = 0 \Rightarrow \frac{dy}{dx} = 0

So let's look at LHS:

\frac{dy}{dx} - y = 0 - 0 = 0

Now let's look at RHS:

e^{2x}y^{3} = e^{2x}0^{3} = 0

Since 0 = 0, we have shown that y = 0 is a solution to our DE.
 
NoMoreExams said:
y = 0 \Rightarrow \frac{dy}{dx} = 0

Wow, I can't believe I completely missed that...thanks.
 
Never ignore the trivial equilibrium soln.
They're always the hardest, since you're never really "looking hard" for them.
 

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