It’s Always the End of the World as We Know It

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The discussion centers around the concept of apocalyptic scenarios, particularly in relation to the Y2K phenomenon and broader societal fears. Participants explore the psychological implications of such fears, the role of philosophers in scientific discourse, and the potential distractions these narratives create from real-world issues. The scope includes philosophical reflections, psychological analysis, and societal commentary.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that apocalyptic scenarios, like Y2K, divert attention from pressing issues such as poverty and terrorism, as noted by Dennis Dutton.
  • Others challenge Dutton's qualifications to comment on scientific matters, questioning the role of philosophers in discussions about science.
  • A viewpoint is presented that humans have a psychological need for fear and that apocalyptic narratives serve as a form of escapism from real problems.
  • Some argue that the fascination with apocalyptic scenarios may benefit those in power by distracting the public from significant socio-economic issues.
  • Participants note that while fear of apocalyptic events can be comforting, it may also obscure more immediate and realistic dangers in daily life.
  • There is a call for insights from IT experts regarding the accuracy of Dutton's assessment of the Y2K situation and the motivations behind the fear surrounding it.

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Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the validity of Dutton's claims or the implications of apocalyptic thinking. Some agree with the notion that such fears can distract from real issues, while others defend the role of philosophical inquiry in scientific discussions.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the relationship between fear, societal issues, and philosophical discourse, with various assumptions and biases influencing their perspectives. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the motivations behind apocalyptic narratives and their impact on public consciousness.

  • #31
mugaliens said:
Possibly. Irrational fear continues to prevent the completion of the Yucca Mountain project. As for our fear, it served a good survival purpose, but is largely out of step in modern society. However, the media uses to get and keep your attention, thereby earning advertising income.

Right, hence it's very rare that things are evaluated as they are, for instance on Chernobyl. Compare http://www.ccp-intl.org/documents/chernobylfacts2.pdf .

From the first:
Large families in rural areas – people who farm and collect their food – continue to
receive large doses of radiation from the food supply. Tragically, these people will need
to change their traditional ways forever in order to preserve their own health.

From the second:
The proper null hypothesis should be that the effects of the Chernobyl environment on an organism do not differ from effects outside the environment. Falsification of the null hypothesis has profound implications for society. If there is an elevated mutation rate and loss of health, then appropriate measures should be taken to protect ourselves. No one would argue with that. But we must be mindful that the costs of over-regulation can be extreme. Zbigniew Jaworowski, former chairman of the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation, has estimated that enforcing the radiation-safety regulations in the U.S. costs about three billion dollars for each life saved from accidental exposure. By comparison, the measles vaccine costs $99 per life saved.
 
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  • #32
MaxwellsDemon said:
It seems to me that all this end of the world business just reflects our collective fear that despite all of our advancements, our civilization is just nothing more than ants building an anthill. We're just waiting for a good rain, an anteater, or some kid on a bicycle to come by and wipe out all progress. Perhaps such a thing is inevitable. Ants continue to build even though their hard work may be wiped out at any moment...seems like there is a lesson in that.

Maybe a song of Dutch artist/singer Herman Van Veen -right after the fall of the Berlin wall- says it all, instead of being relieved about the end of the cold war he sings: the bomb will never be dropped

Worth translating the lyrics:

My life is totally disrupted
I feel like thrown overboard
Today I read this news message:
"the bomb will never be dropped"

But will the bomb really never be dropped?
What can we do, all of us?
As long as we had no future,
we were leisurely living to be dead

we looked with misty eyes
only continuiously to the ground
but now to our biggest fear
the whole world is in perfect health

So is it necesary that our hangover is over?
Do we have to think about an actual future?
al this whining about everything being useless
no schoolmaster will buy that anymore.

Now our lives are totally turned upside down
and they bring panic in our tent.
We loved our bomb so much
we were so used to him.

Our lives are totally disrupted
by this miserable news message:
The bomb stays put

My life is totally disrupted
I feel like thrown overboard
Today I read this news message:
"the bomb will never be dropped"
 
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