J1.1.6 Suppose a and b are integers that divide the integer c

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The discussion revolves around the properties of integers that divide another integer, specifically focusing on the relationship between two integers, a and b, and their product in relation to a third integer, c. Participants explore the implications of a and b being relatively prime versus not, and the role of the least common multiple (lcm) and greatest common divisor (gcd) in these scenarios.

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  • One participant suggests that if a and b are relatively prime, then their product ab divides c, while providing examples to illustrate that if a and b are not relatively prime, ab need not divide c.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between the prime factors of a, b, and c, indicating that if a and b are not relatively prime, the product ab may not necessarily divide c.
  • A participant states that for any integers a and b that divide c, their lcm always divides c, and if gcd(a, b) = 1, then lcm(a, b) = ab.
  • There are clarifications about the notation used, specifically the meaning of the vertical bar (|) indicating divisibility.
  • One participant corrects a notation error in the original post, suggesting that it should read ab | c.
  • A later reply elaborates on the relationship between lcm and gcd, providing a generalization and a lemma regarding common multiples.

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Participants express varying viewpoints on the implications of a and b being relatively prime versus not, with no consensus reached on the broader implications of these relationships. The discussion includes both agreement on certain mathematical properties and disagreement on specific interpretations and examples.

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Some participants note the importance of definitions and the conditions under which certain statements hold true, such as the role of gcd and lcm in the context of divisibility.

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Suppose a and b are integers that divide the integer c
If a and b are relatively prime, show that $ab / c$
Show by example that if a and b are not relatively prime,
then ab need not divide c
let
$$a=3 \quad b=5 \quad c=15$$
then
$$\frac{15}{3\cdot 5}=1$$
let
$$a=4 \quad b=6 \quad c=15$$
then
$$\frac{15}{4\cdot 6}\quad\textit{not an interger}$$

my feeble attempt:confused:
 
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If $a$ and $b$ are relatively prime then the prime factors of $ab$ must be in $c$. If $a$ and $b$ are not relatively prime then this is not necessarily true (by "prime factors" I mean exponentiation is included). Consider $8|72$, $9|72$ and $8*9|72$, but $8|72$, $24|72$ but $8*24\cancel{|}72$.
 
so the $\vert$ means factor of
 
For any integers $a$ and $b$, if both divide another integer $c$, their lcm always divides $c$. If $\gcd(a,b)=1$, then $\mathrm{lcm}(a,b)=ab$.
 
karush said:
so the $\vert$ means factor of

Or $a|b\Rightarrow a\text{ divides }b$.
 
By the way the second line of the OP should read $ab\mid c$.
 
Olinguito said:
By the way the second line of the OP should read $ab\mid c$.


yeah saw that
but too late to change

but mahalo
 
karush said:
yeah saw that
but too late to change

but mahalo
ʻAʻole pilikia. (Wave)

Anyway, this result is a generalization of the OP:

Given nonzero integers $a$ and $b$ with lcm $m$ and gcd $d$, $dm=ab$.​

The lcm of $a$ and $b$ can be taken to be the least positive integer that is a common multiple of $a$ and $b$. We have the following lemma:

$m=\mathrm{lcm}(a,b)\ \iff\ a,b\mid m$ and for any $n\in\mathbb Z$, $a,b\mid n\implies m\mid n$.​

In other words, the lcm divides every other common multiple of $a,b$. The proof is straightforward, using the division algorithm.

So, let $a=a_0d$, $b=b_0d$. We wish to show that $m=a_0b_0d=\mathrm{lcm}(a,b)$ (so that $md=ab$). As $m=ab_0=a_0b$, it is a common multiple of $a,b$. Let $n=a_1a=b_1b$ be any common multiple of $a,b$. Suppose $r,s$ are integers such that $ra+sb=d$. We have:
$$\begin{array}{rrcl}{} & ra+sb &=& d \\ \implies & ra_0+sb_0 &=& 1 \\ \implies & ra_0(b_1b)+sb_0(a_1a) &=& n \\ \implies & ra_0b_1b_0d+sb_0a_1a_0d &=& n \\ \implies & m(rb_1+sa_1) &=& n\end{array}$$
Thus $m\mid n$, and so $m$ is the lcm of $a,b$ as claimed.

In the OP, $d=1$ and $c$ is a common multiple of $a,b$.
 

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