Justification of addition in Spivak, Ch.1

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The discussion centers around the justification of the steps taken in solving the equation \( x + 3 = 5 \) using properties of addition as presented in Spivak's text. Participants explore the validity of these steps in the context of mathematical properties and axioms, particularly focusing on the additive property of equality and the foundational properties of addition.

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  • One participant questions which of Spivak's properties (P1, P2, P3) can justify the step from \( x + 3 = 5 \) to \( x + 3 + 0 = 5 \).
  • Another participant references the "additive property of equality" as a justification for the step in question.
  • A different participant suggests that the justification could be approached through the understanding of addition as a function, implying that if \( a = b \), then \( a + c = b + c \) holds true.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether the step requires additional axioms or properties beyond those listed by Spivak.
  • One participant notes that the transitive property of equality may be necessary to justify the transition from \( x + 3 = 5 \) to \( x + 3 + 0 = 5 \).
  • Another participant acknowledges the implicit assumptions made in their reasoning and expresses a desire to clarify their understanding of the justification process.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the steps taken can be justified solely by Spivak's properties or if additional axioms are necessary. Multiple viewpoints regarding the justification process remain present.

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Some participants mention the need for a clearer understanding of foundational axioms and properties, indicating that certain assumptions may not have been explicitly stated in Spivak's text.

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Based on the properties provided, why does x + 3 = 5 lead to (x + 3) + (-3) = 5 + (-3)?
I am 100% reading too much into this, but I am curious which of the properties provided by Spivak allow one to justify a specific argument. For reference/context, the properties are:

P1: If a, b, and c are any numbers, then
$$a +(b + c) = (a + b) +c$$

P2: If a is any number, then
$$a + 0 = 0 + a = a$$

P3: For every number a, there is a number -a such that
$$a + (-a) = (-a) + a = 0$$

Specifically, I am curious about the following:

$$ x + 3 = 5 $$

$$ x + 3 + (-3) = 5 + (-3) $$

From this point, I understand the argument as the following:

By Property P3,

$$ x + 0 = 2 $$

By Property P2 ,then

$$ x = 2 $$

Is the step in question justifiable from any of the listed properties? Or, rather, is this basic property of addition intended to be assumed? Most properties are introduced from first principles, so I don't know if this should be any different. However, directly before the proof Spivak says "It is then possible to find the solution of certain simple equations by a series of steps (each justified by P1, P2, or P3) ...".

Here is the best that I can come up with:

$$x + 3 = 5$$

By P2,

$$x + 3 + 0 = 5 $$

By P3,

$$x + 3 + (-3 + 3) = 5 $$

By P1,

$$x + (3 + (-3)) + 3 = 5$$

Then, (by basic algebra?)

$$x + (3 + (-3)) = 5 + (-3)$$

By P3,

$$x + 0 = 2$$

By P2,

$$x = 2$$
 
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If I understand your question you are trying to prove:

##a=b \implies a+c = b+c##

Is this correct?

It can be justified using something very elementary (more elementary than the properties you listed) that you probably read over:

Addition is a function ##+: \mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}##.

This means, for every ##(x,y) \in \mathbb{R}\times \mathbb{R}##, there is a unique number ##x+y\in \mathbb{R}##.

So, if ##a=b##, then ##(a,c)=(b,c)## and thus by uniqueness it follows that ##a+c=b+c##.

Ps: Spivak didn't formally introduce the function notion at this point, so don't worry about this too much. But it is a very good question and shows that you don't take things for granted!
 
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Von Neumann said:
Here is the best that I can come up with:

$$x + 3 = 5$$

By P2,

$$x + 3 + 0 = 5 $$

That seems to assume "A quantity may be substituted for it's equal in any algebraic expression". I seem to remember that phrase given as an axiom in a secondary school textbook. But to get to ##x+3+0 = 5## correctly, you'd have to use the transitive property of ##=##.

##(x+3)+0 = (x+3)## by P2
##(x+3) = 5 ## given as the initial step
##(x+3)+0 = 5 ## transitive property of ##=##
 
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Math_QED said:
If I understand your question you are trying to prove:

##a=b \implies a+c = b+c##

Is this correct?

It can be justified using something very elementary (more elementary than the properties you listed) that you probably read over:

Addition is a function ##+: \mathbb{R} \times \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}##.

This means, for every ##(x,y) \in \mathbb{R}\times \mathbb{R}##, there is a unique number ##x+y\in \mathbb{R}##.

So, if ##a=b##, then ##(a,c)=(b,c)## and thus by uniqueness it follows that ##a+c=b+c##.

Ps: Spivak didn't formally introduce the function notion at this point, so don't worry about this too much. But it is a very good question and shows that you don't take things for granted!

This is exactly my question! I think I need to get better at formulating exactly what I have a problem understanding. Your response makes sense. I was worried about overthinking this aspect.
 
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Stephen Tashi said:
That seems to assume "A quantity may be substituted for it's equal in any algebraic expression". I seem to remember that phrase given as an axiom in a secondary school textbook. But to get to ##x+3+0 = 5## correctly, you'd have to use the transitive property of ##=##.

##(x+3)+0 = (x+3)## by P2
##(x+3) = 5 ## given as the initial step
##(x+3)+0 = 5 ## transitive property of ##=##

Yes! Those seem to be the steps I was performing implicitly in going directly from

$$x + 3 = 5$$

to

$$ x + 3 + 0 = 5$$

I think the prologue of the text will make a lot more sense with this information. Thanks for responding!
 

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