Keplers Law of Planetary Motion?

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The discussion centers around the relationship between Kepler's laws of planetary motion and differential calculus. Participants explore whether Kepler's laws inherently involve calculus, particularly in the context of deriving them from Newton's laws, and consider alternative topics for a report that utilizes differential calculus.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Kepler's laws can be derived using differential calculus through Newton's laws, although the original laws themselves do not involve calculus.
  • Others argue that Kepler did not use calculus, as he formulated his laws before its invention, relying instead on observational data from Tycho Brahe.
  • A participant points out that Newton used calculus to demonstrate that an inverse square law of gravitation leads to orbits that obey Kepler's laws.
  • Alternative topics for reports using differential calculus are proposed, including Simple Harmonic Motion, the Impulse-Momentum Theorem, and concepts related to conservation laws.
  • One participant provides a link to a paper suggesting that differential equations are not necessary for understanding Kepler's laws.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the extent to which differential calculus is involved in Kepler's laws, with some asserting that it is not applicable to Kepler's original work while others highlight its relevance in derivations related to Newton's laws.

Contextual Notes

There is an ongoing discussion about the historical context of Kepler's laws and their mathematical derivations, with some claims depending on interpretations of the relationship between calculus and the laws themselves.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students exploring the historical development of planetary motion theories, the application of calculus in physics, or those seeking alternative topics for reports involving differential calculus.

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Can someone briefly explain to me how Kepler's law of planetary motion uses differential calculus?
I'm searching for a topic for a 7 page report on a mathematical concept that uses differential calculus. I thought about Kepler's law on planetary motion, but I have a very vague understanding on the concept of his laws. So, if someone could briefly fill me in on how the two are related, that will really help me get started (and confirm it as my topic).

Any help is appreciated.

If you have any other ideas for a research topic for me, please feel free to list them here.
Thanks :)
 
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Keplers Law of Planetary Motion using Differential Calculus?

Can someone briefly explain to me how Kepler's law of planetary motion uses differential calculus?
I'm searching for a topic for a 7 page report on a mathematical concept that uses differential calculus. I though about Keplers law on planetary motion, but I have a very vague understanding on the concept of his laws. So, if someone could breifly fill me in on how the two are related, that will really help me get started (and confirm it as my topic).

Any help is appreciated.

If you have any other ideas for a research topic for me, please feel free to list them here.
Thanks :)
 
I guess you could say Kepler's laws use differential calculus in that they can be derived from Newton's laws with the aid of some calculus. The laws themselves, nor their applications, really involve differential calculus, but certain derivations do (not the original ones, however. I think Newton proved things using geometry, even though he had some rudimentary differential calculus).

Refer to the link for a some derivations, although there are many others.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler...s_of_motion_and_Newton.27s_law_of_gravitation
 


Strictly speaking, Kepler's law do NOT use Calculus because Kepler died before Calculus was invented. It IS true that Newton used Calculus to show that an inverse square law of gravitation will give planetary orbits obeying Kepler's laws.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler's_laws_of_planetary_motion
 
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As others have mentioned, Kepler did NOT use differential calculus to derive his laws. He made observations from the years of data taken by his teacher and mentor, Tycho Brahe.

If you are looking for some ideas from basic physics using differential calculus, you might try:
Simple Harmonic Motion: a = -ω2 x, where 'a' is the acceleration and ω2 is a constant.

Impulse-Momentum Theorem: Can be used in the kinetic theory of ideal gases to relate the pressure in a container to the temperature and r.m.s. speed.

Conservation of Momentum/Conservation of Angular Momentum: Lots of great examples here, but starting from the Impulse-Momentum Theorem, if ΔF is zero (no external forces), then momentum must be conserved.

Gradient: For anything that can be expressed as a potential (such as gravitational potential energy or electric potential), the gradient can be used to determine the field.
 
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