Killing Vector on S^2: Solving the Killing Equation

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The discussion focuses on the Killing vectors for the two-sphere S^2, specifically the metric ds^2={dθ}^2 + sin^2(θ) dφ^2. The Killing vectors identified are R = ∂/∂φ, S = cos(φ) ∂/∂θ - cot(θ) sin(φ) ∂/∂φ, and T = -sin(φ) ∂/∂θ - cot(θ) cos(φ) ∂/∂φ. Participants clarify the nature of these vectors, the calculation of the comma derivative, and the relationship between tangent vectors and basis one-forms. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding tangent spaces and the application of derivatives in this context.

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Hi, I'm trying to understand isometries, for example between S^2 (two sphere) and SO(3).
For this I need to show that the killing vectors for S^2

ds^2={d\theta}^2+sin^2 {\theta} {d\phi}^2.

are:

R=\frac{d}{d\phi}}
S=cos {\phi} \frac{d}{d\theta}}-cot{\theta} sin {\phi} \frac{d}{d\phi}}
T=-sin {\phi} \frac{d}{d\theta}}-cot{\theta} cos {\phi} \frac{d}{d\phi}}

I'm not sure how to use the Killing equation, basically because I am confused by R=\frac{d}{d\phi}} not being a vector? How do I calculate the comma derivative of R then? I suppose I could convert to cartesian coordinates or something, but there has to be a direct way.
I can get that some components of the Christoffel symbol are cot{\theta} and sin{\theta}cos{\theta} and others zero, but next what are \frac{dR_a}{dx^b}? And {\Gamma}^k_a_b{R_k} for that matter.
Is \frac{dR_1}{dx^2} just equal to \frac{d^2}{d\phi^2} ?
 
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My guess might be that d/d theta and d/d phi are meant to be the basis one-forms, but i could very well be wrong.
 
d/dtheta and d/dphi are the basis tangent vectors, not one-forms.
 
dx said:
d/dtheta and d/dphi are the basis tangent vectors, not one-forms.

Yeah... that makes more sense.
 
Ok, so now what? Is \frac{dR_1}{dx^2}=\frac{d^2}{d\phi^2} correct then? What do I do with something that looks like
\frac{d^2}{d\phi^2}+cot{\theta}\frac{d}{d\phi} ? Probably not solve it, since I'm supposed to check that those are killing vectors, not find the geodesic? Or is that the only way?
 
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I am confused by R=\frac{d}{d\phi}} not being a vector?
If you think that d/d\theta isn't a vector, you might want to look up the definition of "tangent space". :smile:

The components of V\in T_pM in a coordinate system x:M\rightarrow\mathbb R^n are V^i=V(x^i).

V(x^i)=V^j\frac{\partial}{\partial x^j}\bigg|_p x^i=V^j(x^i\circ x^{-1}),_j(x(p))=V^j\delta^i_j=V^i
 
I'm not sure I got what you mean. What is R(x^1)=R({\theta}) then? I guess my main problem is that I don't have clear definitions of all these notations.
 
x would be the function that takes a point p on the sphere to the pair (\theta(p),\phi(p)), so we can write x^1=\theta as you did, and

R^1=R(x^1)=\frac{\partial}{\partial\phi}(\theta)=\frac{\partial}{\partial x^2}(\theta)=(\theta\circ x^{-1}),_2=0

Note that \theta\circ x^{-1} is the map that takes (\theta(p),\phi(p))=x(p) to \theta(p). That means it's just the map (x,y)\mapsto x (here x is just a number, not a coordinate system), and the partial derivative of that with respect to the second variable is of course 0.
 
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But R looks like an operator, which acts on something, not like a function of something. Is the argument of an operator just the function you apply it to?
R^1=R(x^1)=R({\theta})=\frac{d}{d\phi}{\theta}=0 ?
S^1=cos {\phi} \frac{d}{d\theta}}{\theta}-cot{\theta} sin {\phi} \frac{d}{d\phi}}{\theta}=cos{\phi}
S^2=cos {\phi} \frac{d}{d\theta}}{\phi}-cot{\theta} sin {\phi} \frac{d}{d\phi}}{\phi}=-cot{\theta}sin{\phi}

Is this right then?
 
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It looks right to me.
 
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Ok, I got it now, thanks! Interesting, so the derivative basically acts like a unit vector, and applying it to the coordinates is like doing a dot product. Never thought of it that way
 
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The tangent space can be defined as the vector space that's spanned by the partial derivative operators on the manifold, which are defined using a coordinate system:

\frac{\partial}{\partial x^i}\bigg|_p f=(f\circ x^{-1}),_i(x(p))

It can also be defined in a coordinate independent way (see e.g. the GR book by Wald), but then you can prove that these operators are basis vectors of that space. You get a different basis for each coordinate system of course, but you can calculate the relationship between them using the chain rule.
 

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