Kinematics free fall problems part 3 help

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves kinematics, specifically free fall, where a ball is thrown straight upward to determine the height of an overhead power line based on the times it passes the line on its way up and down.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the initial speed and height of the power line using kinematic equations but questions their results after receiving feedback. Some participants question the interpretation of time values used in the calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing the original poster's calculations and assumptions, particularly regarding the timing of the ball's trajectory and the implications of the ball passing the power line twice. There is an acknowledgment of errors in the initial approach, and some guidance has been provided regarding the correct use of kinematic equations.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of dyslexia affecting the original poster's interpretation of time values. The discussion highlights the need to clarify the position of the power line relative to the ball's maximum height.

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Homework Statement


To find the height of an overhead power line, you throw a ball straight upward. The ball passes the line on the way up after 0.85 s, and passes it again on the way down 1.2 s after it was tossed.

(a) What is the height of the power line?

(b) What is the initial speed of the ball?

Homework Equations


v = v0 + at
x=x0+v0*t + 1/2*a*t^2
x = x0 +v*t - 1/2*a*t^2
v^2 = v0^2 +2*a*(x-x0)


The Attempt at a Solution



I drew a picture and decided to solve for intial speed first. I used the equation v = v0 + a* t . V=0, a = -9.8m/s^2 and i took time at v0 to be 1.25 + 0.85/2 = 1.05 s
V0 = 10.29m/s

I then solved part a by using V^2 = V0^2 + 2 *a*(x-x0)
0=(10.29)^2 +2(9.8)(x-0)
i solved this and ended up with 5.40m

I got both of these wrong on my practice test. I would greatly appreciate if someone could explain to me what i did wrong. Thanks so much!
 
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If the time in the problem reads 1.2 s, why does the time in your answer read 1.25 s?
 
Char. Limit said:
If the time in the problem reads 1.2 s, why does the time in your answer read 1.25 s?

oh you are correct! I'm dyslexic! :( I resolved the problem and got 10.04m/s for my initial speed which is correct. However, my distance of 5.148m is still wrong. Any ideas?
 
In your equation you set v equal to 0. This only happens at one point which is when the ball reaches its maximum height. Nowhere is it stated that the power line is at the top of the ball's trajectory. In fact it is clearly stated that the ball passes the power line twice, which can only happen if the power line is below the ball's maximum height.
 
Cyosis said:
In your equation you set v equal to 0. This only happens at one point which is when the ball reaches its maximum height. Nowhere is it stated that the power line is at the top of the ball's trajectory. In fact it is clearly stated that the ball passes the power line twice, which can only happen if the power line is below the ball's maximum height.

you are correct, now that i got my initial velocity of 10.04m/s, g = -9.80m/s^2, x0= 0 and time crossing power line =0.85 i used x = x0 + V0 * t + 1/2*g*t^2
x = 0 + (10.04m/s)(0.85s ) + 1/2 (-9.8m/s^2)(0.85)^2 = 4.994 m How does that look?
 

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