L Hospital Rule Explained: Origins & Meaning

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The discussion revolves around L'Hôpital's Rule, its origins, and its meaning. Participants explore its application in resolving limits that yield indeterminate forms such as 0/0 or ∞/∞, as well as the underlying concepts related to derivatives and the behavior of functions near these limits.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe L'Hôpital's Rule as a method to resolve limits when direct substitution fails, specifically in cases yielding 0/0 or ∞/∞.
  • One participant suggests that the rule involves examining the limit of the derivatives of the functions involved.
  • Another participant outlines a step-by-step approach to applying the rule, emphasizing the need to check if the limit results in an indeterminate form before applying derivatives.
  • A participant proposes considering functions as power series centered at a point to understand the application of the rule more intuitively.
  • One contribution explains that the rule helps determine which function grows faster as values approach infinity or zero, using the concept of derivatives to analyze growth rates.
  • There is a note that the application of L'Hôpital's Rule should be limited to cases where it is valid, as differentiating beyond a certain point may lead to incorrect results.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and interpretation of L'Hôpital's Rule, with no clear consensus on its explanation or application. Some participants provide detailed descriptions while others seek clarification, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

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Limitations in understanding may arise from differing interpretations of the rule's application, the conditions under which it is valid, and the mathematical steps involved in its use.

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can somebody explain what is the L hospital rule.. where does it come from and what's it mean?:cry:
 
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1)Express [tex]f(x)[/tex] as [tex]\frac{g(x)}{h(x)}}[/tex]

2)Is [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow x_0}\frac{g(x)}{h(x)}=\frac{0}{0}[/tex] or [tex]\frac{\infty}{\infty}[/tex] ?

3) If so, [tex]\lim_{x\rightarrow x_0}\frac{g(x)}{h(x)} = \lim_{x\rightarrow x_0}\frac{g'(x)}{h'(x)}[/tex]
 
think of the case where g,h are given by power series centered at x0. then its obvious.
 
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can somebody explain what is the L hospital rule.. where does it come from and what's it mean?:cry:

L'Hopital's (Low-pi-tal; tal like tally without the y sound) Rule* is a way to resolve limits of a function when by simple direct substitution fails. [IE: given the limit "lim(x->n) of f(x)", direct substitution is when you plug in n for x and solve it down. If this yields 0/0 or infinity over infinity, you need L'Hopital's Rule to resolve the conflict].

What it does instead of directly inputting values is look at what "affect" the values have on the denominator and numerator in terms of which one is growing faster as the values change (mostly, as they ascend to infinity or descend to zero). Look at the following function:

[tex]f(x) = \frac{5^x}{x^2}[/tex]

If (if is important here) as 5^x approaches infinity, it is way more than x^2, then the whole function will get bigger, right? I mean, look at a function's denominator and numerator not in turns of shape, but in terms of quantity; how much "bigger" or "smaller" the other one is as x changes. If something is getting bigger on the bottom than it is on the top, it'll get smaller. If it's visa versa, it'll get bigger. That's all L'Hopital's Rule is stating in mathematical form; it is meant to help with the problems that arise as we have to deal with infinity.

How do we figure which one is increasing faster than the other at an instantaneous level? With the derivative slope, of course. If I'm growing at a faster rate than the other guy, at some point I will surpass that guy and then just keep on getting bigger until I "swallow" him up so to speak.

So, all L'Hopital's Rule means is this:

[tex]lim(x->h) f(x) = \frac{N(x)}{D(x)} = \frac{N'(x)}{D'(x)} = \frac{N''(x)}{D''(x)}...[/tex]

(Where N(x) is the numerator, and D(x) is the denominator)

NOTE: They only work until you can plug in a singular value (or right when you get to none), otherwise you'll get incorrect values if you differentiate after that. Good rule of thumb is only to differentiate as needed, then use that value.

So, the uses of L'Hopital's Rule are to find limits when you plug in infinity, to find limits that naturally involve infinity (lim[x^2/(x-1)] at "x=1"), and, I can't figure out why yet, just limits in general. It works, so I won't complain. =P
 
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