Latest Warp Drive Research: Examining Chronology Protection Conjecture

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The discussion centers on the theoretical aspects of warp drive research, specifically examining the work of Alexey Bobrick and Gianni Martire regarding the potential implications for the chronology protection conjecture. Participants explore the relationship between superluminal travel, time travel, and quantum gravity theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the research by Bobrick and Martire could lead to methods that violate the chronology protection conjecture, suggesting that superluminal travel might enable time travel.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about the validity of the research, indicating that distinguishing between media hype and substantive findings is challenging.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliance on classical General Relativity in the paper, with a participant noting that it does not rigorously account for quantum gravity mechanisms, which could be significant obstacles.
  • Another participant mentions that negative energy is suggested as optional in the paper, but argues it is likely necessary for creating the proposed space-time bubble.
  • There are references to other warp drive concepts, with varying degrees of credibility attributed to different researchers, indicating a lack of consensus on the viability of these ideas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the research, with some skeptical of its rigor and others questioning the assumptions made regarding quantum gravity. No consensus is reached regarding the validity of the proposed warp drive concepts or their implications for time travel.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the current understanding of quantum gravity, suggesting that discussions around its mechanisms remain speculative and not well-supported by existing theories.

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Questions as to whether the content of the research of Alexey Bobrick, and Gianni Martire proposed in their paper describing their ideas for a warp drive and published in IOP's Classical and Quantum Gravity lead to possible ways to violate the chronology protection conjecture.
I had some questions about some recently published results on the theoretical aspects of warp-drive.

Does the content of the research of Alexey Bobrick, and Gianni Martire proposed in their paper describing their ideas for a warp drive and published in IOP's Classical and Quantum Gravity lead to possible ways to violate the chronology protection conjecture?

It is my understanding that any methods of achieving superluminal travel can be used to travel back in time and thus in principle violate the chronology protection conjecture.

Also, has the subject research been considered in the context of current theories of quantum gravity?

I presume that quantum gravity mechanisms would prohibit any attempt to travel back in time to change history.

I would be very interested in hearing what folks have to say on these topics.

I understand that the media tends to hype sensationalism and thus it can be hard to distinguish the hype from the ramifications of new research.

Thanks;

Jim
 
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James Essig said:
the research of Alexey Bobrick, and Gianni Martire proposed in their paper describing their ideas for a warp drive

Please provide a link to the paper.
 
It is the same paper I believe. Either way it is the same set of concepts that in the previous link I provided. I am almost of the opinion that the theoretical approach does some serious "hand waving" and does not take into account in a rigorous way how quantum gravity mechanisms might be a show stopper. The paper seems to claim that negative energy in some considerations is optional but negative energy would seem to be required to negatively warp space-time, not by lexicographical considerations, but as a means to produce the space-time bubble considered in the paper. Also, it seems a general consensus that any superluminal travel can be used to enable backward time travel which results in various issues with causality.
 
James Essig said:
I am almost of the opinion that the theoretical approach does some serious "hand waving" and does not take into account in a rigorous way how quantum gravity mechanisms might be a show stopper.

The paper, although it mentions quantum effects, is using classical General Relativity for all of its actual modeling, not quantum gravity. (Nobody has a good quantum gravity theory at this time in any case, so talk about "quantum gravity mechanisms" is not well-supported by any theory and can only be speculation.)
 
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You sometimes see these claims for strange gravity effects that could be used in building a "warp drive", and then never hear anything more about them. A good example is this one by M. Tajmar: https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0603033v1

The ideas by Harold G White seem to be a bit more credible, but I'm by no means enough of a professional in general relativity to assess that.
 
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