Learning at college about wave partile duality

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The discussion centers on wave-particle duality in the context of quantum mechanics, particularly referencing Richard Feynman's work in Quantum Electrodynamics (QED). Participants explore the implications of experimental observations of photons and the interpretations of their behavior as either waves or particles.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that photons can be observed as either waves or particles depending on the type of experiment conducted.
  • One participant argues that photons behave like waves between measurements but act like particles when observed, suggesting that there is no true duality but rather distinct quantum dynamics and measurement processes.
  • Another participant emphasizes that Feynman's interpretation does not deny the wave perspective, but rather presents a particle view that is crucial for understanding light behavior.
  • A later reply introduces the idea that Feynman's concept of particles differs from classical particles, suggesting that in quantum mechanics, particles and waves are intertwined in a way that is not present in classical physics.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of photons and the implications of Feynman's interpretations. There is no consensus on whether wave-particle duality is a valid characterization or if the behavior of photons is better understood through distinct frameworks of quantum dynamics and measurement.

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Participants highlight the complexities of interpreting quantum mechanics, including the limitations of classical analogies and the mathematical nature of quantum states. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties and differing interpretations within the field.

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i've been learning at college about wave partile duality, how some phenomena can only be explained using the wave theory, but for some background reading i decided to read QED and in the introduction feynman says light behaves like particles. can anyone enlighten me?
 
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This has been discussed on a number of recent threads but, because of the Feynman QED reference, perhaps a further explanation is appropriate. We can OBSERVE photons (and other "particles") as waves or as particles .

This depends on the kind of experiment we do; if the experiment depends on the momentum of the photon, then it can be interpreted as a particle with momentum and energy. If it is an interference type experiment, like the famous double slit, then it is usually interpreted as a wave phenomenon.

But Feynman saw a way to explain the slit experiment with a particle interpretation. He theorized that the particle has an amplitude which is a complex number (he never calls it that, but if you follow his rules for adding and multiplying his "little arrows", that is what they boil down to). The particle follows all possible paths in the experiment and you add up the amplitudes over the paths and most of them cancel each other out, and Presto! the interference comes out.

This does not mean Feynman denied the wave interpretation or said that only a particle interpretation is necessary. His book is, after all, a description of the QED field theory, in which fields are the primary constituents, and particles in any guise are just quanta, bundles of field energy that come and go.
 
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We can OBSERVE photons (and other "particles") as waves or as particles .
Really? I say photons behave like waves between measurements, but behaves like particles WHENEVER observed. Double slit experiments only let us better infer photons wave-like behavior between measurements. There is no duality between experiments, there is quantum dynamics via Schrödinger eq. and there is quantum measurment via projection states into eigenstates.
 
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Really? I say photons behave like waves between measurements, but behaves like particles WHENEVER observed. Double slit experiments only let us better infer photons wave-like behavior between measurements. There is no duality between experiments, there is quantum dynamics via Schrödinger eq. and there is quantum measurment via projection states into eigenstates.

Quantum mechanics doesn't say what photons are like "between measurements" except to give them states in a Hilbert space which evolve unitarily. This is neither wave nor particle nor indeed anything defined in spacetime, but a mathematical model.
 
selfAdjoint said:
This does not mean Feynman denied the wave interpretation or said that only a particle interpretation is necessary. .

but he wrote 'I want to emphasise that light comes in this form - particles. It is very important to know that light behaves like particles, especially for those of you who have gone to school, where you were probably told something about light behaving like waves. I'm telling you the way it does behave - like particles.

so I'm still quite confused.
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I think the "particle" Feynman means is not a classical particle.If we use Feymann's theory to explain all,a classical particle do also have infinite paths to go from A to B,and each path has a complex amplitude.But different from the quantuam world,the amplitudes vary so fast that at last only one path is possible,and all information about the phase loses.So,in classical world,particle is particle, wave is wave;while in the quantum world,they entangle together.
Thanks for criticism.
 

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