Light Leaving Earth-Observer's View of Events in Time

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The discussion revolves around the observation of events on Earth from a distant observer's perspective, particularly focusing on how light from Earth conveys information over time. Participants explore concepts related to time dilation, the order of events as perceived by a fast-moving observer, and the implications of relativistic effects on the observation of Earthly phenomena.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that an observer ten light years away would see Earth as it was in 2011 and, if traveling towards Earth at 0.8c, would experience a time dilation effect that allows them to perceive events from 2011 to 2033 in a compressed timeframe.
  • Others argue that a fast-approaching observer would not see events in reverse order; rather, they would observe events in the correct chronological sequence, albeit at a different rate due to their speed.
  • A participant mentions that if the observer continues past Earth, the perception of time would shift to a slower rate as they move away.
  • Some participants inquire about the mathematical formulation of time dilation, referencing the Lorentz factor and the relativistic Doppler effect to explain how these concepts apply to the observation of events.
  • There is a mention of the need for a sufficiently powerful telescope to observe Earth in detail from a distance, which remains an open challenge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principles of time dilation and the order of events as perceived by an observer, but there are varying interpretations regarding the implications of these effects and the specifics of the mathematics involved. The discussion remains unresolved on certain technical details and the practicalities of observation.

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Limitations include assumptions about the observer's speed, the nature of light propagation, and the practical feasibility of observing Earth from such distances. The discussion also highlights the complexity of applying relativistic effects in different scenarios.

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Light traveling from Earth
Would an observer many light years from Earth (and approaching say) see events leading onwards through time (to what level of detail i am not proposing but say weather and maybe Humans on the ground?) in the light received?
 
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I don't know what you are trying to ask.

An observer ten light years away will see the Earth as it was in 2011. If they then set off to Earth at 0.8c the journey will take them 12.5 years by Earth clocks, which time dilation reduces to 7.5 years by shipboard clocks. So they will arrive in late 2033, having seen the history of the Earth from 2011 to 2033 in ×3 fast-forward in the 7.5 years they experience, if that's what you are asking.

Edit: building a sufficiently powerful telescope to image the Earth in any detail from 10ly, and getting it moving at 0.8c, are left as exercises for the reader.
 
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happyhacker said:
Summary:: Light traveling from Earth.

Would an observer many light years from Earth (and approaching say) see events leading onwards through time (to what level of detail i am not proposing but say weather and maybe Humans on the ground?) in the light received?
There's a short video here that might interest you:

 
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If you are asking if a fast-approaching traveler will see things in reverse, the answer is no. The light nearest Earth always shows the more recent events. So a traveler will see everything in the correct order, whether the light comes to him, or he speeds toward the Earth, or both. He will just see it in a compressed time.
 
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So they will arrive in late 2033, having seen the history of the Earth from 2011 to 2033 in ×3 fast-forward in the 7.5 years they experience, if that's what you are asking.
If they don't stop and just carry on, by the way, it shifts to ×3 slow-motion as they pass Earth and start moving away, assuming they just keep going at the same speed.
 
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Thanks, great answers even though I was not entirely clear with my question. What is the maths for the time dilation?
 
happyhacker said:
Thanks, great answers even though I was not entirely clear with my question. What is the maths for the time dilation?
The time dilation factor is usually written ##\gamma## and is ##\gamma=\frac 1{\sqrt{1-v^2/ ^2}}##. If you plug in ##v=0.8c## and multiply ##\gamma## by the 12.5 year travel time you'll get the 7.5 years the travellers experience.

Note that time dilation is not enough to explain relativistic effects in general, although it works here. If you try to apply it to different scenarios you may well find yourself confused - you should look up the Lorentz transforms if you want more general tools.
 
If you are interested in the rate at which you will "see" events happen, the frequency of any series of events encoded in the light will simply be Doppler shifted according to the usual relativistic equations.
 
happyhacker said:
Thanks, great answers even though I was not entirely clear with my question. What is the maths for the time dilation?
The relevant equation here would be the relativistic Doppler effect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativistic_Doppler_effect

Which also gives you the apparent change in time between events when moving towards or away from something.
 
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