Limit of spherical bessel function of the second kind

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The discussion centers on the limit of the spherical Bessel function of the second kind as \( x \) approaches zero. Participants explore the mathematical expressions and series representations of the function, addressing issues related to negative factorials and their implications for the limit.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the limit for the spherical Bessel function of the first kind as \( j_{n}(x<<1)=\frac{x^n}{(2n+1)!} \) and provides a formula for the second kind, \( y_{n}(x) \).
  • Another participant suggests using the gamma function to handle negative factorials, proposing \( (-n)!=\Gamma(1-n) \) and \( (-2n)!=\Gamma(1-2n) \) as a potential solution.
  • A different participant argues that negative factorials are undefined due to poles in the gamma function and suggests examining plots of the spherical Bessel functions to understand the behavior as \( x \) approaches zero.
  • One participant expresses frustration with the power series provided by Mathworld, questioning how the series can start at \( k=0 \) when negative factorials are undefined, and offers an alternative expression for the asymptotic behavior.
  • Another participant confirms the asymptotic expression \( y_n(x\rightarrow 0) \approx -\frac{(2n-1)!}{x^{n+1}} \) and corrects the factorial notation to double factorial.
  • Participants discuss the reliability of sources like Wolfram and express skepticism about the accuracy of the relations provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on how to handle negative factorials, with some participants proposing the use of the gamma function while others assert that negative factorials are undefined. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct approach to the limit of the spherical Bessel function of the second kind.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the power series representation and the implications of undefined negative factorials, indicating a need for careful consideration of mathematical definitions and expressions.

Mr. Rho
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I know that the limit for the spherical bessel function of the first kind when $x<<1$ is:

j_{n}(x&lt;&lt;1)=\frac{x^n}{(2n+1)!}

I can see this from the formula for $j_{n}(x)$ (taken from wolfram's webpage):

j_{n}(x)=2^{n}x^{n}\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{n}(k+n)!}{k!(2k+2n+1)!}x^{2k}

and applying the relation: $(2n+1)!=(2n+1)!/2^{n}n!$ . So, the formula for the spherical bessel function of the second kind is (also taken from wolfram):

y_{n}(x)=\frac{(-1)^{n+1}}{2^{n}x^{n+1}}\sum_{k=0}^{\infty}\frac{(-1)^{k}(k-n)!}{k!(2k-2n)!}x^{2k}

The result I get for the limit $x<<1$ in this case is:

y_n(x&lt;&lt;1)=\frac{(-1)^{n+1}(-n)!}{2^{n}(-2n)!}\frac{1}{x^{n+1}}

But I don't know how to deal with these negative factorials. I think maybe I would need the relation $(2n-1)!=(2n)!/2^{n}n!$ because in Jackson's Classical Electrodynamics 2nd edition book they give a result for this in chapter 16, it is:

y_{n}(x&lt;&lt;1)=-\frac{(2n-1)!}{x^{n+1}}

The question is: how to obtain this Jackson's result?
 
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If I'm not way off here I think you can rewrite those negative factorials as gamma function, maybe that will help? That would give you ##(-n)!=\Gamma(1-n) ## and ##(-2n)! = \Gamma(1-2n) ## and then you could use some suitable notation for these and plug that in. I'm not 100% sure tho, its been a while since I did something similar but it might be worth a shot.
 
Alright, this ended up really bugging me all day, but I think it's because Mathworld gives a bad power series for the spherical Bessel function (how is k supposed to start at 0 when negative factorials are undefined?). Here's an alternative expression that gives the correct asymptotic behavior:

http://dlmf.nist.gov/10.53

(BTW, @Mr. Rho in your first post, I believe the asymptotic expression you wanted is $$y_n(x\rightarrow 0) \approx -\frac{(2n-1)!}{x^{n+1}}$$
with a double factorial, instead of a single factorial.)
 
TeethWhitener said:
Alright, this ended up really bugging me all day, but I think it's because Mathworld gives a bad power series for the spherical Bessel function (how is k supposed to start at 0 when negative factorials are undefined?). Here's an alternative expression that gives the correct asymptotic behavior:

http://dlmf.nist.gov/10.53

(BTW, @Mr. Rho in your first post, I believe the asymptotic expression you wanted is $$y_n(x\rightarrow 0) \approx -\frac{(2n-1)!}{x^{n+1}}$$
with a double factorial, instead of a single factorial.)

yes, sorry for that, it is double factorial, thank you for the correction and thank you for those relations you give, the asymptotic limit it's very clear with them!

why would wolfram give a wrong relation?
 
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Mr. Rho said:
why would wolfram give a wrong relation?
It happens occasionally. There used to be a way to submit errors and corrections, but I don't see the link anymore.
 
TeethWhitener said:
Alright, this ended up really bugging me all day, but I think it's because Mathworld gives a bad power series for the spherical Bessel function (how is k supposed to start at 0 when negative factorials are undefined?). Here's an alternative expression that gives the correct asymptotic behavior:

http://dlmf.nist.gov/10.53

(BTW, @Mr. Rho in your first post, I believe the asymptotic expression you wanted is $$y_n(x\rightarrow 0) \approx -\frac{(2n-1)!}{x^{n+1}}$$
with a double factorial, instead of a single factorial.)

Haha yeah, that was throwing me off too.
 

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