Linear algebra/Calc III before ODE?

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The discussion revolves around the prerequisites for taking Ordinary Differential Equations (ODE) courses, specifically the roles of Linear Algebra (LA) and Calculus III (Calc III). Participants share their experiences regarding the impact of these subjects on their understanding and performance in ODE.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in ODE due to a lack of background in vectors and linear algebra, suggesting that these topics are crucial for understanding the course material.
  • Another participant finds Linear Algebra to be more complicated than calculus and is unsure about the prerequisites for ODE.
  • A participant who took linear algebra and vector calculus before ODE notes that while vector calculus was not used, linear algebra was essential, indicating that the ODE course would have been more challenging without it.
  • One participant mentions taking both LA and Calc III prior to their ODE course, suggesting a strong foundation for tackling the subject.
  • Another participant is currently taking Calc III and ODE simultaneously and plans to take LA next semester, indicating that while they do not need much from Calc III for ODE, LA is significantly relevant.
  • A participant reflects on the extra work required to learn LA topics while taking ODE, acknowledging a lack of deep understanding without prior LA knowledge.
  • One participant, finishing Calc II, considers whether to take Calc III before ODE, highlighting the importance of course sequencing.
  • A participant notes that their calculus sequence does not introduce vectors until Calc III, suggesting that LA may be more important than other prerequisites based on their experience.
  • Another participant confirms that vectors will be covered in Calc III, appreciating the advice given.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that having a background in Linear Algebra is beneficial for understanding ODE, but there is no consensus on the necessity of taking these courses in a specific order. Some express that LA is crucial, while others share varying experiences regarding the impact of Calc III.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the specific prerequisites at their schools, which may vary, affecting their perspectives on the importance of LA and Calc III before ODE. There are also references to the varying complexity of subjects, indicating differing levels of preparedness among participants.

Who May Find This Useful

Students planning to take ODE, educators advising on course sequences, and individuals interested in the interplay between calculus, linear algebra, and differential equations.

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I'm curious how many people have taken a calculus course that invokes vectors and/or linear algebra before starting ODE? I did neither, as my school did not require it, and the tail end of ODE is excruciating because we are hitting on vectors and topics from LA that I do not have. So in addition to learning ODE, I am now working to hit those topics too. Just curious what others' experience has been...
 
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I thought Linear Algebra was more complicated than all of the calculus courses. I am not sure, I'm working on learning calculus myself on Kahn Academy and i skipped formal Geometry and Trig in high school. What is ODE?
 
ODE = Ordinary Differential Equation

I took linear algebra and vector calculus before ODE. However, my school only requires linear algebra as prerequisites before taking a course in ODEs.

I did not use vector calculus in the ODE course I took but plenty of linear algebra. In hindsight, the ODE course would have been much more work without having taken a course in linear algebra. It is odd your school does not require linear algebra as a prerequisite.
 
I took LA + calcIII prior to the differential equations -- ODE + PDE -- course I'm taking now
 
I'm currently doing Calc III and ODE and plan on doing LA next semester. I didn't need any Calc 3 stuff (except maybe a bit of partial derivatives) but LA is a huge part of ODE.

I didn't need to know any LA to solve any equations for ODE (except finding determinants) but the entire theory is linked to LA. I wish I could have done LA before ODE but LA is a extra class for me while ODE is a prereq to one my major classes (circuit analysis)
 
I'm surprised too. It seems like a lot of extra work to learn the section we are on now...and I don't kid myself, since I don't have the LA background, I am sure I don't have as deep of understanding on current topics as I would if I'd had it already.
 
Hi Cue928 :) Thanks for starting this thread. I'm finishing CalcII now and was going to take differential equations over the summer. Now I'm wondering if I should just do Calc III over the summer and differential equations in the Fall. I'll keep following this thread. Thx again!
 
Depends on how your calc sequence is divided up. We are not exposed to vectors until C-3, which is a prereq to LA. Depending on what your prereqs are for LA, I'd say based on my experience that it is more important to have LA than anything else.
 
Vectors will be in calcIII for me too. Thanks for the advice!
 
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