Linear ODE for a fundamental solution set

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around constructing a linear ordinary differential equation (ODE) for the function set S = { 3ln(x), ln2, ln(x), ln(5x)} over the interval x > 0. Participants explore the implications of linear dependence among the functions in the set and the criteria for selecting a fundamental solution set.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the Wronskian for the function set S is 0, leading to confusion about the possibility of finding a linear ODE for the set.
  • Another participant points out that the functions in set S are not linearly independent, suggesting that a smaller set such as {ln2, ln(x)} could be used instead.
  • There is a question about the reasoning behind the selection of the smaller set and whether {3ln(x), ln2} could also be valid.
  • A participant explains that all functions in the original set can be expressed in the form A + Bln(x), indicating their linear dependence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the functions in the original set are linearly dependent and that a smaller set can be used to construct a linear ODE. However, there is no consensus on the specific functions that should be included in the fundamental set.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of linear independence in constructing a fundamental solution set for a linear ODE, but does not resolve the specific criteria for selecting the functions.

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Question:
For the interval x > 0 and the function set S = { 3ln(x), ln2, ln(x), ln(5x)}, construct a linear ODE of the lowest order.

My work:

Taking the wronskian for this solution set, I get it as 0. Doesn't that mean that a linear ODE for this set cannot be found?

I'm very confused here, and any help is appreciated. Thanks
 
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rishadjb said:
Question:
For the interval x > 0 and the function set S = { 3ln(x), ln2, ln(x), ln(5x)}, construct a linear ODE of the lowest order.

My work:

Taking the wronskian for this solution set, I get it as 0. Doesn't that mean that a linear ODE for this set cannot be found?

I'm very confused here, and any help is appreciated. Thanks
Notice that the four functions in the set S are not linearly independent. They are all of the form $A + B\ln x$ (where A and B are constants). So for example you could replace S by the smaller set $\{\ln 2, \ln x\}$.
 
Ok I see, so since the terms are linearly dependent, we need to rewrite the fundamental set? So how do you come to the conclusion that we can use the smaller set of {ln2, ln x}. Is it because these two terms are lin. independent?

Could I use {3lnx, ln2} ?
 
rishadjb said:
Ok I see, so since the terms are linearly dependent, we need to rewrite the fundamental set? So how do you come to the conclusion that we can use the smaller set of {ln2, ln x}. Is it because these two terms are lin. independent?

Could I use {3lnx, ln2} ?
Yes, Opalg told you that all of those are of the form Aln(x)+ B for some A and B. You could, just as easily write them as A'(3 ln(x))+ B where A'= A/3.

Of your original set, 3ln(x), ln(2), ln(x), and ln(5x), note that ln(2) is a constant 3ln(x) is just 3 times ln(x), and ln(5x)= ln(x)+ ln(5). So all of them are of the form "a multiple of ln(x)" plus a constant. That is Aln(x)+ B.
 
Question solved, thanks guys :)
 

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