Linearly independent function sets

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The discussion revolves around the linear independence of various sets of functions, particularly focusing on exponential functions, sine functions, gamma functions, sine integrals, and exponential integrals. Participants explore the conditions under which these functions can be considered linearly independent, referencing mathematical theories and properties related to differential equations and orthogonality.

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  • Some participants assert that exponential functions and sine functions are linearly independent, while questioning the linear independence of gamma functions and sine integrals.
  • One participant suggests that Sturm-Liouville theory could provide insights into the linear independence of functions that are solutions to differential equations.
  • Another participant argues that the gamma function and sine integral do not satisfy the conditions of being solutions to differential equations, which may affect their linear independence.
  • There is a discussion about the criteria for linear independence, particularly focusing on the behavior of functions as their arguments approach infinity.
  • Some participants propose that a randomly selected set of functions is likely to be linearly independent, drawing parallels to the properties of transcendental numbers.
  • Questions arise regarding the linear independence of infinite sequences or continuum sets of functions, with participants seeking conditions that might apply in these cases.
  • One participant discusses the concept of a Cartesian product of infinitely many smooth function sets and its implications for finding linearly independent sequences.

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Participants express differing views on the linear independence of specific function sets, particularly regarding gamma functions and sine integrals. There is no consensus on the conditions that guarantee linear independence for infinite sequences or continuum sets of functions, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of functions and the unresolved nature of mathematical steps related to infinite sets and their properties. The discussion also highlights the complexity of establishing linear independence in various contexts.

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It is well known that the set of exponential functions

##f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R}_+ : f(x)=e^{-kx}##,

with ##k\in\mathbb{R}## is linearly independent. So is the set of sine functions

##f:\mathbb{R}\rightarrow [-1,1]: f(x) = \sin kx##,

with ##k\in\mathbb{R}_+##.

What about other kinds of special functions, would something like the set of gamma functions ##\Gamma (kx)## or sine integrals ##Si (kx)## also be linearly independent? Or the exponential integrals ##E_n (x)## of different integer orders ##n##?

Are there any good sources in literature that handle these questions?
 
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Would Sturm-Liouville be a good starting point? If you have a set of functions that are solutions to differential equation, and you can show that the differential operator is self-adjoint, then the orthogonality of eigenfunctions follows automatically (e.g. Arfken & Weber "Mathematical Methodds for Physicists").

Indeed, both of your examples can be regrarded as eigen-functions of Laplace's equation.
 
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Yes, this is true for the exponential and sine/cosine functions. But the gamma function is not a solution of any differential equation, neither is the sine integral ##Si (x)## as far as I know.

It's quite easy to show that any finite set of exponentials ##e^{k_1 x}, e^{k_2 x}, \dots,e^{k_n x}##, with all ##k_i## different numbers, is linearly independent, because looking at the equation

##C_1 e^{k_1 x} + C_2 e^{k_2 x} + \dots + C_n e^{k_n x} = 0##,

one of the multipliers ##k_i## is largest and therefore the term on the LHS having it in the exponent will eventually grow much faster than all the other terms when ##x## is made large enough. The other terms can't therefore cancel it and the equation can't be true. This approach doesn't require operator theory, and can probably be applied to a finite set of scaled gamma functions ##\Gamma (kx)##.
 
The same argument works for all functions where ##\frac{f_{k_1}(x)}{f_{k_2}(x)} \to \infty## for ##x\to \infty## for all ##k_1 > k_2## and similar relations. A different limit for x works as well.
 
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hilbert2 said:
What about other kinds of special functions

The property of being an independent set of functions isn't hard to satisfy. You can find much material about sets of functions that satisfy the stronger property of being orthogonal (with respect to some inner product). For example, there are many well know families of orthogonal polynomials.

One unifying way to look at special functions is to consider them as elements of matrices that implement representations of groups. https://bookstore.ams.org/mmono-22
 
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mfb said:
The same argument works for all functions where ##\frac{f_{k_1}(x)}{f_{k_2}(x)} \to \infty## for ##x\to \infty## for all ##k_1 > k_2## and similar relations. A different limit for x works as well.

Is there any known condition for this to also hold for an infinite sequence of functions? Or a continuum set of functions?
 
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The same argument works for all functions where ##\frac{f_{k_1}(x)}{f_{k_2}(x)} \to \infty## for ##x\to \infty## for all ##k_1 > k_2## and similar relations. A different limit for x works as well.

Questions that touch on infinity are very much at the edge of my comfort zone. Can I therefore ask you a question to educate myself? I would expect that a finite set of functions with property ##\frac{f_{k_1}(x)}{f_{k_2}(x)} \to \infty## for ##x\to \infty## can be linearly independent following the logic of hilbert2. Should one be cautious about infinite sets, countably infinite sets etc.?
 
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Is there any known condition for this to also hold for an infinite sequence of functions? Or a continuum set of functions?
What do you really want to know? @mfb has just generalized your argument for ##e^{kx}## and strengthened that it applies to other families of functions, too. @Stephen Tashi has mentioned that linear independence is the standard, not the exception, i.e. a randomly gathered set of functions will a.a. be linear independent. Linear dependency is the zero set.

To me it is similar to the situation of transcendental numbers: almost all are. To prove it in certain cases is another question, which depends on the way those numbers are defined, since definitions tend to use an algebraic notation. Here we have a similar situation: almost all are (linearly independent), and a proof depends on their definition, which again is given by a restricted set of letters which are introduced to describe algebraic or analytic dependencies. So we even have a slightly better situation given, as our alphabet isn't restricted to linear relationships.

Nevertheless, a certain situation is driven by the definition of said functions. The general statement is: a.a. (randomly) collected functions are linear independent. If we drop the random aspect of it, then we will find ourselves in a certain situation, which requires a definition to be given - not just some examples.
 
Linear independence means there is no finite sum that adds up to zero. It doesn't matter if we have an infinite set of functions to draw from or not: The finite sum will always have one function that dominates.
 
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Ok, thanks, I think this clarified the matter.

Edit: I initially went in the trap of thinking that it would be difficult to find this kind of function sequences without exhausting the possibilities, but then again, the set of integers divisible by ##10^6## is as "large" as the set of all integers, and the Cantor set is as large as ##\mathbb{R}##, so this isn't really surprising after all.
 
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I think that given any set of countably many functions, the set of linear independent functions to them is dense in the usual, non-trivial topologies like metric induced or Zariski.
 
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I was thinking of something like a cartesian product of infinitely many ##\mathcal{C}^\infty## sets as a set of all ordered sequences of well behaved functions. Then it could be shown that any subset of nonzero "volume" contains a lin. independent sequence.
 
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hilbert2 said:
I was thinking of something like a cartesian product of infinitely many ##\mathcal{C}^\infty## sets as a set of all ordered sequences of well behaved functions. Then it could be shown that any subset of nonzero "volume" contains a lin. independent sequence.
You mean for instance, given ##S \subseteq \{\,\exp(kx)\,\}\times \{\,\Gamma(kx)\,\}\times \{\,Si(kx)\,\}\times \{\,\ldots\,\}\times\ldots ## and ##\lambda(S) > 0## according to some Lebesgue measure contains a linear independent sequence? Beside the difficulty to achieve a positive measure of such a thin set, there shouldn't be a problem to find such a sequence: looks as all are. As mentioned earlier, linear independence is the standard and linear dependence the exception.
 

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