Local Invariants: Definition, Examples & Curvature

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The discussion revolves around the concept of local invariants in differential geometry, particularly in the context of Riemannian and symplectic manifolds. Participants explore definitions, examples, and the implications of local invariants, as well as the challenges in identifying smooth invariants.

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  • Some participants inquire about the definition of local invariants, specifically in relation to curvature in Riemannian geometry.
  • Others suggest that torsion is another example of a local invariant.
  • A participant explains that a local invariant is a mathematical object associated with a point on a manifold, preserved under local isometries or symplectomorphisms.
  • There is a discussion about the lack of properly symplectic local invariants, as all symplectic invariants are also smooth invariants, complicating classification.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the existence of properly smooth invariants that remain consistent across diffeomorphic manifolds but not necessarily homeomorphic ones.
  • It is noted that there are no local differentiable invariants, as every manifold without boundary is locally diffeomorphic to Euclidean space, and adding structure like a metric complicates this further.
  • Global invariants are discussed as being defined for the entire manifold, with examples like Euler number and homology, which cannot be evaluated at a single point.
  • A question is raised regarding local invariants of conformal structures, with a participant suggesting that local conformal invariants may exist, particularly in relation to sectional curvature.

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Participants express a range of views on the existence and definition of local invariants, with some agreeing on certain examples while others challenge or refine these ideas. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the existence of properly smooth invariants and the specifics of local invariants in conformal structures.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of invariants, the complexity of distinguishing between topological and smooth structures, and the unresolved nature of certain mathematical claims regarding local and global invariants.

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Ok, and generally speaking, a local invariant for Riemannian geometry is a mathematical object O(p) associated to a point p on a Riemannian manifold (M,g) such that if there exists f:(M,g)-->(M',g') a local isometry at p, then O(f(p))= O(p).

A local invariant of topological manifolds is dimension.

A local invariant for symplectic manifolds would be an object O(p) associated to a point p on a symplectic manifold (M,ω) such that if there exists f:(M,ω)-->(M',ω') a local symplectomorphism at p, then O(f(p))= O(p). But by Darboux's theorem, there is no local invariant that is "properly symplectic", in the sense that every symplectic invariant would also be a smooth invariant, and thus would not be helpful in classifying symplectic manifolds. for this, we can only rely on global invariant.

Thank you for this great link mma!

Question: Are there properly smooth invariants (local or global)? i.e. do we know of a way to associate an object to a smooth manifold such that this object is the same for two diffeomorphic manifolds, but not necessarily so if the smooth manifolds are simply homeomorphic?
 
quasar987 said:
What is a local invariant? For instance, at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_geometry#Symplectic_geometry

it is said that curvature is a local invariant for Riemannian geometry. What is meant by that?

What are other examples of local invariants?

Thanks!

the gauss curvature for an embedded surface in R3 can be calculated from the unit normal.
this is an extrinsic definition. gauss proved that it could be calculated from the internal metric as well. this makes it intrinsic and a invariant of a local isometry. i am not sure if this the works for hypersurfaces in higher dimensions. that is an interesting question perhaps.
 
quasar987 said:
Ok, and generally speaking, a local invariant for Riemannian geometry is a mathematical object O(p) associated to a point p on a Riemannian manifold (M,g) such that if there exists f:(M,g)-->(M',g') a local isometry at p, then O(f(p))= O(p).

A local invariant of topological manifolds is dimension.

A local invariant for symplectic manifolds would be an object O(p) associated to a point p on a symplectic manifold (M,ω) such that if there exists f:(M,ω)-->(M',ω') a local symplectomorphism at p, then O(f(p))= O(p). But by Darboux's theorem, there is no local invariant that is "properly symplectic", in the sense that every symplectic invariant would also be a smooth invariant, and thus would not be helpful in classifying symplectic manifolds. for this, we can only rely on global invariant.

Thank you for this great link mma!

Question: Are there properly smooth invariants (local or global)? i.e. do we know of a way to associate an object to a smooth manifold such that this object is the same for two diffeomorphic manifolds, but not necessarily so if the smooth manifolds are simply homeomorphic?

in the differentiable category being differentiable at a point is a local property preserved under local diffeomorphism but not homeomorphism.
 
There are no local differentiable invariants: locally, every manifold without boundary is diffeomorphic to Euclidean space. If you add extra structure, say a metric, one might ask if every manifold without boundary is locally isometric to Euclidean space. It turns out that this is not the case.

Global invariants (like Euler number, compactness, homology, etc.) are only interesting (/defined) when you discuss the entire manifold (i.e. it wouldn't make sense to discuss the Euler number at a point). The question you ask (topological vs. smooth) becomes difficult immediately, because it turns out that many invariants defined in terms of a fixed smooth structure or metric don't depend at all on the choices you make.

Defining meaningful smooth invariants is very difficult (the Donaldson and Seiberg-Witten invariants spring to mind, but there are others).
 
zhentil said:
There are no local differentiable invariants: locally, every manifold without boundary is diffeomorphic to Euclidean space. If you add extra structure, say a metric, one might ask if every manifold without boundary is locally isometric to Euclidean space. It turns out that this is not the case.

Global invariants (like Euler number, compactness, homology, etc.) are only interesting (/defined) when you discuss the entire manifold (i.e. it wouldn't make sense to discuss the Euler number at a point). The question you ask (topological vs. smooth) becomes difficult immediately, because it turns out that many invariants defined in terms of a fixed smooth structure or metric don't depend at all on the choices you make.

Defining meaningful smooth invariants is very difficult (the Donaldson and Seiberg-Witten invariants spring to mind, but there are others).

that was very helpful. are there local invariants of conformal structures?
 
wofsy said:
that was very helpful. are there local invariants of conformal structures?
I'm not too familiar with the definition, but I'll take a shot. I'm guessing that conformal structure is related to the conformal equivalence of metrics. In this case, there would be local conformal invariants (i.e. the round metric on the sphere is not conformally equivalent to a flat metric in a neighborhood of any point). Pushing the analogy a bit, if you take a metric with strictly positive sectional curvature on a compact manifold, any metric conformally equivalent to it would also have strictly positive sectional curvature. I.e. the sign of sectional curvature would also seem to be a local conformal invariant.
 

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