Locus of Incentre Problem: Find Ellipse

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The discussion revolves around the locus of the incentre of a triangle given the base and the sum of its sides. Participants explore whether this locus is a straight line, circle, ellipse, or hyperbola, with a focus on deriving the properties of the ellipse through various mathematical approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the locus of the incentre is an ellipse, attempting to show that the sum of distances from the incentre to the endpoints of the base is constant.
  • Another participant argues that while point A must lie on an ellipse with foci at points B and C, the incentre does not share these foci, leading to the conclusion that the sum of distances $\overline{IB} + \overline{IC}$ is not constant.
  • A different participant describes a coordinate geometry approach, defining the ellipse and parametrizing points to derive the locus of the incentre, ultimately concluding it is an ellipse.
  • One participant expresses a preference for the parametric coordinates used by another and acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the foci of the ellipse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of the locus of the incentre, with multiple competing views presented regarding the relationship between the incentre and the triangle's vertices.

Contextual Notes

Some participants rely on specific formulas and coordinate geometry approaches, which may depend on assumptions about the triangle's configuration and the properties of ellipses. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations of the incentre's locus.

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Problem:
Given the base of a triangle and sum of its sides, then the locus of the centre of its incircle is:

A)straight line
B)circle
C)ellipse
D)hyperbola

Attempt:
Since the given answer is ellipse, I tried showing that the sum of the distances of incentre from the end points of base is constant.

The side lengths opposite to vertex A, B and C are a, b and c respectively. As per the question, a (base) and a+b+c is given. The distance IB is $r/\sin(B/2)$ and IC is $r/\sin(C/2)$, where $r$ is the radius of incircle. Hence,

$$IB+IC=r\left(\frac{1}{\sin(B/2)}+\frac{1}{\sin(C/2)}\right)\,\,\,\, (*)$$
I use the following formulas:
$$r=\frac{\Delta}{s}=\sqrt{\frac{(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)}{s}}$$
$$\sin\left(\frac{B}{2}\right)=\sqrt{\frac{(s-a)(s-c)}{ac}}$$
$$\sin\left(\frac{C}{2}\right)=\sqrt{\frac{(s-a)(s-b)}{ab}}$$
Substituting in (*) and simplifying,
$$IB+IC=\sqrt{\frac{a}{s}}\left(\sqrt{c(s-b)}+\sqrt{b(s-c)}\right)$$
The terms outside the parentheses is constant, I am unable to prove that the terms inside the parentheses are a constant too. :(

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 

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This is an interesting problem. The points $B$ and $C$ are fixed, and the triangle $ABC$ has a constant perimeter. So the point $A$ must lie on an ellipse with foci at $B$ and $C$. The incentre $I$ also lies on an ellipse, but the foci of that ellipse are not at $B$ and $C$, so you should not expect $\overline{IB} + \overline{IC}$ to be constant.

The only way I can solve the problem is to use coordinate geometry. Let $A$ be the point $(a\cos\theta,b\sin\theta)$, so that $$\frac{x^2}{a^2} + \frac{y^2}{b^2} = 1$$ is the ellipse on which $A$ lies. Then $B$ and $C$ are the foci of that ellipse, with coordinates $B = (-ae,0)$, $C = (ae,0)$, where $e$ is the eccentricity of the ellipse, given by $b^2 = a^2(1-e^2)$. The lengths of the sides of the triangle are $\overline{BC} = 2ae$, $\overline{CA} = a(1-e\cos\theta)$, $\overline{AB} = a(1+e\cos\theta)$.

I then used a very useful formula for the coordinates of the incentre that I found here. In words, it says that you take the coordinates of the three vertices of the triangle, multiply each of them by the length of the opposite side, add them, and finally divide by the perimeter of the triangle. I leave you to apply that formula to our triangle here. I found that it gives $I = \Bigl(ae\cos\theta, \dfrac{be\sin\theta}{1+e}\Bigr).$ Thus $I$ lies on the ellipse $$\frac{x^2}{a^2e^2} + \frac{(1+e)^2y^2}{b^2e^2} = 1$$, which passes through the points $B$ and $C$ (and so certainly does not have its foci at those points).
 
Like Opalg, I found this problem interesting and find a coordinate geometry approach to be the most straightforward.

I decided to orient the fixed base of the triangle along the $x$-axis whose center is at the origin, and let its length be $2f$. From the definition of an ellipse, we know the locus of the movable vertex is an ellipse, which I describe by:

$$\frac{x^2}{a^2}+\frac{y^2}{b^2}=1$$

Please refer to the following diagram:

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Point $P$ is an arbitrary point on the ellipse, and point $I$ is the associated incenter. It is the intersection of the two angle bisectors $\ell_1$ and $\ell_2$.

Let's parametrize point $P$ as follows:

$$x(t)=t$$

$$y(t)=\frac{b}{a}\sqrt{a^2-t^2}$$

where $$-a\le t\le a$$

While we are only considering the top half of the ellipse here, a similar argument could be used for the bottom half.

For these two lines, we know they pass through the foci of the ellipse, so we need to determine their slopes.

For line $\ell_1$, let's first look at the slope of the line through the points:

$$\left(t,\frac{b}{a}\sqrt{a^2-t^2} \right)$$ and $$(f,0)$$

It's angle of inclination is therefore:

$$\theta_1=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{b\sqrt{a^2-t^2}}{a(t-f)} \right)$$ where $$t\ne f$$

And so the angle of inclination of $\ell_1$ is:

$$\frac{\theta_1}{2}=\frac{1}{2}\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{b\sqrt{a^2-t^2}}{a(t-f)} \right)$$

Hence, the slope of $\ell_1$ is found using a half-angle identity for tangent:

$$m_1=\frac{\sin\left(\tan^{-1}\left(\dfrac{b\sqrt{a^2-t^2}}{a(t-f)} \right) \right)}{1+\cos\left(\tan^{-1}\left(\dfrac{b\sqrt{a^2-t^2}}{a(t-f)} \right) \right)}$$

Using the fact that $$f^2=a^2-b^2$$ we find:

$$m_1=-\frac{b}{a+f}\sqrt{\frac{a+t}{a-t}}$$

Armed now with the slope and the point through which it passes, line $\ell_1$ is given by (using the point-slope formula):

$$y=\frac{b}{a+f}\sqrt{\frac{a+t}{a-t}}(f-x)$$

For line $\ell_2$, let's first look at the slope of the line through the points:

$$\left(t,\frac{b}{a}\sqrt{a^2-t^2} \right)$$ and $$(-f,0)$$

It's angle of inclination is therefore:

$$\theta_2=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{b\sqrt{a^2-t^2}}{a(t+f)} \right)$$ where $$t\ne -f$$

And so the angle of inclination of $\ell_2$ is:

$$\frac{\theta_2}{2}=\frac{1}{2}\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{b\sqrt{a^2-t^2}}{a(t+f)} \right)$$

Hence, the slope of $\ell_2$ is found using a half-angle identity for tangent:

$$m_2=\frac{\sin\left(\tan^{-1}\left(\dfrac{b\sqrt{a^2-t^2}}{a(t+f)} \right) \right)}{1+\cos\left(\tan^{-1}\left(\dfrac{b\sqrt{a^2-t^2}}{a(t+f)} \right) \right)}$$

Using the fact that $$f^2=a^2-b^2$$ we find:

$$m_2=\frac{b}{a+f}\sqrt{\frac{a-t}{a+t}}$$

Armed now with the slope and the point through which it passes, line $\ell_2$ is given by (using the point-slope formula):

$$y=\frac{b}{a+f}\sqrt{\frac{a-t}{a+t}}(x+f)$$

Equating the two lines, and solving for $x$, we find:

$$=\frac{b}{a+f}\sqrt{\frac{a+t}{a-t}}(f-x)=\frac{b}{a+f}\sqrt{\frac{a-t}{a+t}}(x+f)$$

$$(a+t)(f-x)=(a-t)(x+f)$$

$$af-ax+ft-tx=ax+af-tx-ft$$

$$ft=ax\implies x=\frac{f}{a}t\implies y=\frac{b}{a+f}\sqrt{f^2-x^2}$$

Squaring this value for $y$, (which gives us the bottom half) we obtain the locus for $I$:

$$\frac{x^2}{f^2}+\frac{y^2}{\left(\dfrac{bf}{a+f} \right)^2}=1$$

which is clearly an ellipse.
 

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Hi Opalg and MarkFL! :)

Thank you both for your helpful solutions. I prefer to stay with parametric coordinates used by Opalg. :P

It was very silly of me to consider B and C as the foci. :o

About that incentre formula, it is also in my course and I need to memorise that (Doh).

Thank you once again.
 

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