Log expansion for infinite solenoid

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the approximation of a logarithmic function related to an infinite solenoid, specifically focusing on the expression involving the limit as \(\Lambda\) approaches infinity. Participants are exploring the mathematical manipulation and reasoning behind the approximation of the logarithmic expression.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an approximation for the logarithmic function as \(\Lambda \rightarrow \infty\) and seeks clarification on how this approximation is derived.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of \(\rho_0\), which appears in the second expression but not in the first, indicating a potential lack of clarity in the definitions used.
  • A different participant speculates that \(\rho_0\) might be a constant but does not provide further details.
  • One participant revisits the original logarithmic expression and simplifies it under the assumption that \(\Lambda\) is very large, leading to a different form of the logarithm, while expressing confusion about the role of \(\rho_0\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definition of \(\rho_0\) and its relevance to the approximation. There is no consensus on the interpretation of \(\rho_0\) or the derivation of the approximation, indicating that multiple views and uncertainties remain in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion lacks clarity on the definitions of variables, particularly \(\rho_0\), and the assumptions made in the approximations. The mathematical steps leading to the approximation are not fully resolved, leaving room for further exploration.

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Hello, I found an approximation for this log function:

[tex]log \Bigg(\frac{\Lambda}{\rho} + \sqrt{1 + \frac{\Lambda^2}{\rho^2}} \Bigg),[/tex]

where [itex]\Lambda \rightarrow \infty[/itex]. The above is approximated to the following,

[tex]-log \bigg(\frac{\rho}{\rho_o} \bigg) + log \bigg(\frac{2 \Lambda}{\rho_o} \bigg).[/tex]

How is this done? I tried expanding the [itex]\sqrt{1 + x^2}[/itex] term, but I still don't get how they arrive to the above approximation.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers!

I have no idea why this was sent to linear algebra section . . . And I do not know how to move it to classical physics. . .
 
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What is ##\rho_0##? It appears in the second expression but not the first.
 
Wow, never mind. Clearly I am being silly here, for [itex]\Lambda \rightarrow \infty[/itex].

[tex]log\bigg( \frac{\Lambda}{\rho} + \sqrt{1 + \frac{\Lambda^2}{\rho^2}} \bigg) \rightarrow log \bigg( \frac{ 2 \Lambda}{\rho} \bigg) \rightarrow log(2 \Lambda) - log(\rho).[/tex]

As for the [itex]\rho_o[/itex] I have no idea why that enters the equation.
 

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