Ly on gravitation only one part

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The discussion revolves around a problem in gravitation related to the motion of comets in elliptical orbits. The original poster seeks to determine the speed of a comet at a different distance from the sun, given its initial speed and distance.

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  • Participants discuss the use of conservation of angular momentum and energy to solve the problem. The original poster attempts to apply these principles but encounters difficulties with the calculations and assumptions regarding the mass of the comet.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the principles to apply, such as conservation of energy, while others question the assumptions made about the mass of the comet and its relation to the sun. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations and approaches without a clear consensus on the correct method.

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There is a mention of the need for the mass of the comet, which is unclear, and the original poster's calculations have been marked incorrect, indicating potential misunderstandings in the application of the conservation principles.

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urgently need help on gravitation only one part

Comets travel around the sun in elliptical orbits with large eccentricities. If a comet has speed 7.0 x 10^4 m/s when at a distance of 2.5 x 10^11 m from the center of the sun, what is its speed when at a distance of 9.0 * 10^10 m?
___________ m/s

Attempt
(7.0 x 10^4)(2.5 x 10^11)= v(9.0 * 10^10)
v = 194444.444

However, this answer was marked wrong.
 
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First: in what units is your v given?

The angular momentum is constant along the orbit, but its magnitude is r*v* sin(angle between the radius and the direction of the velocity). This angle is unknown. So use the conservation of momentum instead.

ehild
 


v is in m/s. And what do you mean by saying that i should use coservation of momentum. Isn't that what i did but it was marked wrong?
 


Sorry, I meant conservation of energy...

ehild
 


okay but if i use conservation of energy i still encounter a problem.

KE + PE = KE +PE
1/2mv^2 + (-GMm/r) = 1/2mV^2 + (-GMm/R)
1/2v^2 + (-GM/r) = 1/2V^2 + (-GM/R)

I know
v = 2 x 10^4 m/s
r= 3 x 10^11 m
R=4 x 10^10 m

but i still need to know what M, the mass of the comet is equal to.
 


Isn't M the mass of the sun?
 

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