MacroEntanglement and Consciousness

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The discussion revolves around the use of quantum mechanics (QM) to explain consciousness, specifically analyzing a paper titled "Theoretical and Experimental Evidence of Macroscopic Entanglement Between Human Brain Activity and Photon Emissions: Implications for Quantum Consciousness and Future Applications" by Michael A. Persinger and Christina F. Lavallee. Participants are examining the validity and scientific grounding of the claims made in the paper.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for feedback on the paper, indicating a lack of expertise in complex ideas related to physics.
  • Another participant dismisses the paper as lacking any weaknesses, expressing excitement but also suggesting it is intellectually misleading.
  • A different participant critiques the paper for attempting to link unrelated concepts, such as Schrödinger's entanglement, and argues that it relies on the authority of famous scientists without establishing valid connections.
  • Some participants suggest that the paper represents pseudoscience, lacking a solid scientific basis or coherent arguments.
  • A recommendation for a book titled "Impostures Intellectuelles" is made, which critiques the misuse of science in intellectual discourse.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity of the paper, with some viewing it as pseudoscientific and others expressing enthusiasm for its claims. No consensus is reached regarding its scientific merit.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the difficulty in defining consciousness and the challenges in linking it to quantum mechanics, indicating that the paper may not adhere to conventional scientific standards.

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This concerns the the use of QM to explain consciousness. I'm looking for any weaknesses in this paper.
With an interest in physics, but being a lay person I understand little of the more complex ideas. Therefore, I'm somewhat at a loss to notice incorrect usage of such ideas most of the time. If you have the time would you look it over and comment. Thank you
The title of the paper is:

Theoretical and Experimental Evidence of Macroscopic Entanglement
Between Human Brain Activity and Photon Emissions: Implications for Quantum Consciousness and Future Applications
Michael A. Persinger* & Christina F. Lavallee
http://www.jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/view/99/101
 
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Any weaknesses? There ar no any! I am excited!
I haven't seen such imposture intellectuelle for quite a long time.
They are even better than Lacan!
 
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steve001 said:
This concerns the the use of QM to explain consciousness. I'm looking for any weaknesses in this paper.
With an interest in physics, but being a lay person I understand little of the more complex ideas. Therefore, I'm somewhat at a loss to notice incorrect usage of such ideas most of the time. If you have the time would you look it over and comment. Thank you
The title of the paper is:

Theoretical and Experimental Evidence of Macroscopic Entanglement
Between Human Brain Activity and Photon Emissions: Implications for Quantum Consciousness and Future Applications
Michael A. Persinger* & Christina F. Lavallee
http://www.jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/view/99/101

Welcome to PhysicsForums, steve001!

There is a technical term we often use for papers like this. However, most spam filters do not allow it through. :biggrin:

You have to understand that throwing around a lot of equations and references to Physics papers and scientists does not change anything. The paper's purpose is to intimate that entanglement somehow relates to consciousness. I know a bit about entanglement, as do many others. But if you could give me a precise definition of consciousness, you would probably get a Nobel. That should help you to understand that this paper is not really science in the normal sense of the word.
 
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Any weaknesses? I'll be nice and sum them all up into one. This paper tries to prove a point by linking terms that truly have nothing to do with each other like Shroedingers entanglement, and uses famous scientists to try to back it's point because you can't argue with what those scientists said. However it is very easy to argue the flimsy, nonexistent, or all together wrong connections between them all that this paper is making. At best this paper is psuedo science, but truly it's not even that, because that would imply science in some form. All this is is a collection of references that try to prove a point that has no grounds of it's own, or at least no grounds presented in that paper.
 
I really recommend a book:
Alan Sokal, Jean Brickmont, "Impostures Intellectuelles",
English version: "Fashionable Nonsense - Postmodern Intellectuals' Abuse of Science"
 
On that note, this thread is closed.
 

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