Maintaining Orbit of Two Planets Around Sun: Is it Possible?

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of two planets maintaining their orbits around the Sun, particularly focusing on the dynamics of their barycenter and the gravitational influences involved. Participants explore theoretical models and analogies, such as the Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon systems, to understand the implications of such a planetary arrangement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a model where the barycenter of two planets acts as a pivot point, with the planets revolving around it while the barycenter orbits the Sun.
  • Another participant suggests that this system is analogous to the Earth-Moon system, questioning if the dynamics would be similar.
  • Some participants argue that the model is more akin to the Pluto-Charon system, noting the size similarities and gravitational interactions.
  • There is a suggestion that the gravitational pull from the Sun could disrupt the orbits of the planets, raising the question of whether an additional large body could counterbalance this effect.
  • One participant acknowledges the need for further research before engaging in the discussion, indicating uncertainty about the topic.
  • Another participant humorously reflects on the naming conventions in astronomy, relating it to the Pluto-Charon analogy and the broader implications of classification in the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the analogy to the Pluto-Charon system, but there is no consensus on whether the proposed model of two planets maintaining their orbits around the Sun is feasible or what specific conditions would be necessary for this to occur.

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The discussion lacks detailed mathematical modeling or empirical evidence to support the claims made. Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the topic, which may influence the depth of their contributions.

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for ease of explanation, imagine that the barycenter of two planets is the center of a wheel and that the planets revolve around the edges of the tire. the center of the tire (barycenter) is in orbit around sun, as if the wheel is rolling around in its orbit. my question is, is this possible? of course every time one planet would swing closer to the sun it would be pulled farther out of orbit, but would another large planetary object (perhaps in an outer ring) counter-balance the sun`s gravity? what possible positioning of these planets might help them maintain their orbit`s integrity? thanks
 
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Isn't your 'two planet' system equivalent to the Earth-Moon system?


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Or at least Pluto-Charon. (Pluto is still a planet in my book!)
 


not exactly earth/moon, definitely more pluto/charon, but actually more something like this:

1 = first twin planet
2 = second twin planet
b = barycenter of the twin planets
(the badly typed hexagon [the wagon wheel i was describing] that the planets rest on is their orbit)


........._____ 1____...........
........../....\...........
........./......\..........
-->-->-->-->-->-->-->-->-->-/->-->-b-->-->-\->-->-->-->(orbit around the sun)-->
.........\...../.........
.........\....../.........
..........\____2_____/...........

it might have been helpful to mention that the planets would be relatively similar in size. so yea, could this be made possible? or would the sun's gravity pull the planets' out of orbit. and if so, perhaps a balancing body opposite the sun?
 


Isn't this pretty much describing Pluto and Charon? (As Vanadium 50 had said.) Even if people don't consider Pluto a plant, it's still the same thing as what you're talking about. Charon is only just over half Pluto's size (by size I assume you do mean diameter, not mass), but if it works for this pair, I'm sure it could for your described situation.
 


ahhhh roight. i guess i could have looked a little further into it before resorting to a forum. thank you!
 


Vanadium 50 said:
Or at least Pluto-Charon. (Pluto is still a planet in my book!)

Hehehe... there is a show on NPR called "Says You!" in which one of the bluffing words was "Scruto". In fact it's a trapdoor made of whale bone, but in the midst of flailing for an answer, one of the panelists said, "It's what happened to Pluto".

If Titan is a moon, Pluto is a planet... what is the deal with people getting so antsy over naming conventions anyway? This, in a field where symbolic overload is de rigueur.
 

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