Martingale, Optional sampling theorem

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This discussion revolves around the properties of a simple nonsymmetric random walk and the application of the optional sampling theorem. Participants explore whether certain sequences are martingales, submartingales, or supermartingales, and they analyze the probabilities associated with reaching specific states in the random walk.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that ##S_n## is a submartingale based on the expectation condition involving ##E[S_{n+1} | F_n]##.
  • Others argue that ##M_n = S_n - rn## is a martingale only when ##r = 0##, suggesting that this implies ##S_n## should also be a martingale.
  • A later reply questions whether ##M_n## being a martingale when ##r = 0## necessarily means that ##S_n## is a martingale.
  • One participant states that ##M_n## is a martingale if ##r = 2q - 1##, based on the expected value of the random variables involved.
  • Another participant corrects their earlier claim about the probability of reaching state ##b## before state ##-a##, stating that the correct probability is ##(q)^b##.
  • Concerns are raised about the differing results for the probability depending on the value of ##q##, specifically contrasting the cases when ##q = 0.5## and ##q = 0.500001##.
  • Some participants express skepticism about whether the answer to the probability question depends on both parameters ##a## and ##b##, suggesting that the odds of hitting either state first are influenced by their relative sizes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether ##S_n## is a martingale or submartingale, and there are multiple competing views regarding the implications of the optional sampling theorem and the probabilities involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the results may depend on the specific values of ##a## and ##b##, and there is uncertainty regarding the conditions under which certain properties hold, particularly in relation to the values of ##q##.

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In this exercise, we consider simple, nonsymmetric random walk. Suppose 1/2 < q < 1 and ##X_1, X_2, \dots## are independent random variables with ##\mathbb{P}\{X_j = 1\} = 1 − \mathbb{P}\{X_j = −1\} = q.## Let ##S_0 = 0## and ##S_n = X_1 +\dots +X_n.## Let ##F_n## denote the information contained in ##X_1, \dots , X_n##
1. Which of these is ##S_n##: martingale, submartingale, supermartingale (more than one answer is possible)?

2. For which values of r is ##M_n = S_n − rn ## a martingale?

3. Let ##\theta = (1 − q)/q## and let ##M_n =\theta^{S_n}## . Show that ##M_n## is a martingale.

4. Let a, b be positive integers, and ##T_{a,b} = \min\{j : S_j = b \text{or} S_j = −a\}.## Use the optional sampling theorem to determine ##\mathbb{P}\{ S_{T_{a,b} }= b\}## .

5. Let ##T_a = T_{a,\infty}.## Find ##\mathbb{P}\{T_a < \infty\}##

My answers:

1. ##S_n## is a submartingale. This is because ##E[S_{n+1} | F_n] \geq qS_n + (1 − q)S_n = S_n##, and ##S_n## is increasing in n.

2. ##M_n## is a martingale if and only if r = 0. This is because ##E[M_{n+1} | F_n] = E[S_{n+1} − r(n+1)| F_n] =(S_n - rn) = q(S_n − rn) + (1 − q)(S_n − rn) = S_n − rn##, so ##r = 0## is required for ##M_n## to be a martingale.

3. We have ##E[\theta^{S_{n+1}} | F_n] = \theta^{qS_n + (1 − q)S_n} = \theta^{S_n} = M_n##, so ##M_n## is a martingale.

4. Using the optional sampling theorem and the fact that ##S_j## is likely to increase by 1 in each step with ##\mathbb{P}[\frac12 < q < 1]##, we have ##\mathbb{P}\{ S_{T_{a,b}} = b\} = q^a##.

5. Since ##S_n## is a submartingale, ##T_a < \infty## is unsure. ##T_a## is the stopping time where ##n## is the first time ##S_n## reaches −a, so ##\mathbb{P}\{T_a < \infty\} = 0 \leq p <q## where (p +q)=1
 
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If ##M_n## is a Martingale when ##r=0##, wouldn't that make ##S_n## a martingale for #1?
 
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Office_Shredder said:
If ##M_n## is a Martingale when ##r=0##, wouldn't that make ##S_n## a martingale for #1?
In this case, ##M_n = S_n - rn## is a martingale if ##r = \mathbb{E}[X_1]##. Since ##\mathbb{P}\{X_1 = 1\} = q## and ##\mathbb{P}\{X_1 = -1\} = 1-q##, we have ##\mathbb{E}[X_1] = 2q-1##. Therefore, ##M_n## is a martingale if ##r=2q-1##.
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My answer to 4 is wrong. Correct answer is ##(q)^b## where 1/2 < q < 1 as given in the question.
But if p = q = 1/2, then the answer is
This is a problem in probability theory involving a random walk. The optional stopping theorem can be used to determine the probability that the random walk reaches b before reaching ##-a##. Let ##p = \mathbb{P}\{S_{T_{a,b}} = b\}## and note that ##\mathbb{E}[S_{T_{a,b}}] = pb + (1-p)(-a)##. By the optional stopping theorem applied to the martingale ##S_n##, we have ##\mathbb{E}[S_{T_{a,b}}] = \mathbb{E}[S_0] = 0##. Solving for p gives us ##p = \frac{a}{a+b}##.

So, the probability that the random walk reaches b before reaching -a is ##\frac{a}{a+b}##.
 
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I find it hard to believe that if ##q=0.5## you get ##a/(a+b)## and if ##q=0.500001## you get ##(.500001)^b##, which are very different numbers for lots of choices of ##a## and ##b## (e.g. ##a=b=10##)

Shouldn't the answer to 4 depend on both a and b at least?
 
Office_Shredder said:
I find it hard to believe that if ##q=0.5## you get ##a/(a+b)## and if ##q=0.500001## you get ##(.500001)^b##, which are very different numbers for lots of choices of ##a## and ##b## (e.g. ##a=b=10##)

Shouldn't the answer to 4 depend on both a and b at least?
Can you prove answer to 4 depends upon a and b ?🤔🤔
 
WMDhamnekar said:
Can you prove answer to 4 depends upon a and b ?🤔🤔

I just feel like, "does it hit a or b first" obviously depends on a? If a=1 and b=100 the odds you hit a first are decent, if a=1,000,000 and b=100 the odds you hit a first are infinitesimal.
 

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