Mass, masslessness and the speed of light

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The discussion centers around the concepts of mass, masslessness, and their relationship to the speed of light within the framework of relativity. Participants explore the implications of mass for particles moving at relativistic speeds and the distinction between different types of mass.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that massless particles travel at the speed of light, while particles with mass increase in mass as their speed approaches that of light, theoretically reaching infinite mass.
  • There is a question about why particles with infinite mass would move at the same speed as massless particles, with some participants arguing that this scenario is impossible as particles with mass cannot reach the speed of light.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the distinction between "rest mass" (or "invariant mass") and "relativistic mass," with some participants noting that the latter is less commonly used in modern physics discussions.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of mass and speed in relativity, with no consensus reached on the relationship between massless particles and those with mass as they approach the speed of light.

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There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions of mass and the implications of relativistic effects, as well as the historical context of terminology used in physics.

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As far as I understood the relativity:
1. Massless particles travel at the speed of light.
2. As the speed increases, so does the mass of the moving body. It goes to infinite as the speed gets close to that of light.

My questions: Why would particles with infinite mass (theoretically) move at the same speed as the massless particles? What's the connection between these two kinds?

You may say, it is impossible to reach infinite mass, but anyway, why does mass of let's say electron moving at 90% speed of light gets very big, while the mass of the photon which travels at 100% of the speed of light is zero?
 
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pero2912 said:
It becomes infinite as the speed reaches that of light.

It will never reach the speed of light.

My questions: Why do particles with infinite mass move at the same speed as the massless particles?

They don't because there is no such thing as infinite mass and particles with mass will never reach the speed of light.
 
ok, it was wrong choice of words on my side. edited now.
 
pero2912 said:
As far as I understood the relativity:
1. Massless particles travel at the speed of light.
2. As the speed increases, so does the mass of the moving body. It goes to infinite as the speed gets close to that of light.

You're talking about two different kinds of mass here.

1. refers to what is often called "rest mass" (which sounds silly for a particle that can only travel at the speed of light, but that's the way it is, for historical reasons) or "invariant mass". Most physicists call it simply "mass."

2. refers to what is often called "relativistic mass." Most physicists don't use it, except for a while during the early history of relativity. Nevertheless, it still appears in many books for laymen, and in some low-level textbooks.
 
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