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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the mass of the core of the sun, specifically addressing the issue of obtaining a mass that exceeds the total mass of the sun. Participants explore the implications of using varying densities within the core and the mathematical approach to calculating mass based on volume and density.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the mass of the sun's core using a specific volume and density, resulting in a value greater than the sun's total mass.
  • Another participant suggests that the density used may be the maximum at the center rather than an average density for the core.
  • A third participant notes that the density of the core varies significantly from the center to the edge, indicating that the average density is much lower than the maximum value used in the calculation.
  • A later reply emphasizes the need to integrate over the radial density distribution, as the density and temperature vary with radius, complicating the calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the density of the core varies and that using a single density value can lead to incorrect mass calculations. However, there is no consensus on the specific method to accurately calculate the mass of the core.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the initial calculation, including the assumption of a uniform density and the need for integration over varying densities within the core. The dependence on specific definitions of core boundaries and density profiles is also noted.

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I tried calculating the mass of the core of the sun but keep coming up with a number that exceeds the entire mass of the sun. I used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun" facts on the sun. It says the core of the sun extends from its center to .2 to .25 times it's radius. I used the number .225 as an average. So this would make the volume of the core to be (.225)^3 or .011 times the sun's total volume. The volume of the Sun is stated to be 1.412e18 km^3 or 1.412e27 m^3. Thus the volume of the core is .011 x 1.412e27 km^3 or 1.608e25 km^3.

Now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Core" says the density of the core is about 150g/cm^3 or 1.5e5kg/m^3. So since mass = density x volume I get the mass of the core to be:

1.5e5 x 1.608e25 kg = 2.413e30 kg. This exceeds the state mass of the sun (1.9891e30 kg). What is wrong here?
 
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That's probably the density at the actual center of the sun, not the average density of the core. Because of that, your mass is coming out too large.
 
In your second link it says that the density of the core varies from 150g/cm3 at the very center to 20 g/cm3 at the edge of the core.
So cjl is right. The average density of the core is significantly lower than 150.
 
I didn't check your numbers, but yes, there isn't a single number for the density of "the core", the density varies with radius. You'd need to integrate over the radial density distribution, and I don't think that's an obvious function since temperature varies with radius too.
 

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