Mass radii of some simple nuclei

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The discussion centers on the search for recent experimental data regarding the mass radii of specific light nuclei: deuterium, tritium, helium-3, and helium-4. Participants explore the distinction between mass radii and charge radii, as well as the challenges in obtaining precise measurements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests recent experimental data for the mass radii of deuterium, tritium, helium-3, and helium-4, seeking specific quotes from scientific sources.
  • Another participant suggests that the request may actually pertain to charge radii and references a specific source for that data.
  • The original requester clarifies that they are specifically interested in mass radii, not charge radii.
  • A different participant notes that for halo nuclei, the matter radius can differ significantly from the charge radius, but states that the light ions in question are not halo nuclei, implying that their matter and charge radii are likely to be very close.
  • This participant also mentions a potential limitation in precision for the light ions, suggesting that the matter radius may not vary significantly from the charge radius within a certain margin of error.
  • The original requester expresses a need for greater precision than what has been suggested and inquires about older experimental data on mass radii.
  • Another participant mentions that scattering experiments involving protons on nuclei could provide mass radii but notes the complexity of the analysis involved and suggests looking into online experimental databases for relevant data.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the availability of recent experimental data for mass radii, and there are differing views on the relevance of charge radii versus mass radii in this context. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precision and availability of the requested data.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in precision and the complexity of obtaining mass radii data, particularly for light ions. There is also a mention of the need for accuracy beyond typical margins of error.

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Hi, I need recent experimental data for mass radii of the nuclei of deuterium, tritium, helium 3 and helium 4. I would be grateful if someone could help me with this problem and gave me exact quotes from articles, books, etc. scientific sources.
 
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Do you mean charge radii of these light ions?

If so, I believe the latest data is contained in I. Angeli, Atomic Data and Nuclear Data Tables 87 (2004) 185–206.
 
No, I mean MASS radii. Right now I don't need charge ones.
 
My understanding is that the only for so called halo nuclei, does the matter radius vary significantly from the charge radius. None of the light ions you listed are halo nuclei, so the matter and charge radius are going to be within 0.1 fm (see Krane's introductory text on nuclear physics).

I realize, of course, that this may not help since your application may require accuracy greater than the 5-6% that 0.1 fm gives for the light ions. Unfortunately, I do not know of any recent experiments on the matter radius of the light ions.
 
Thank you. The book, which you suggested, helped me a lot, but I really need bigger precision than 10^-16 m (0,1 fm).
If by chance you know about the older experimental data concerning the mass (matter) radius of at least one of the nuclei I would be glad to know it.
 
I have never really looked into it. I do know people would do scattering experiments of protons on nuclei to get mass radii, but the analysis was always pretty involved and I never looked into to it too closely. You might look in some of the online experimental databases for experiments with your light ions as targets to find some of the data. Only real suggestion I have other than doing the usual google scholar search.
 

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