Mass shooting in N Illinois University

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the recent mass shooting at Northern Illinois University, exploring various perspectives on gun control, personal safety, and the implications of gun-free zones. Participants express their views on how to prevent such tragedies and the role of firearms in self-defense within educational institutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the effectiveness of gun-free zones, suggesting that criminals do not respect such regulations.
  • There are differing opinions on whether allowing students with concealed carry permits to bring firearms to school would enhance safety.
  • One participant expresses a belief that proactive self-defense education could deter potential shooters.
  • Another participant shares a personal perspective on the psychological impact of facing a gunman, expressing uncertainty about their own potential response in such a situation.
  • Some participants argue that stricter gun laws could prevent shootings, while others counter that criminals often obtain guns illegally, rendering such laws ineffective.
  • Several participants reference international perspectives on gun control, particularly from Australia, highlighting differences in gun violence rates and laws.
  • There is mention of a past incident where armed students were able to subdue a shooter, raising questions about the media's portrayal of such events.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of completely preventing gun violence in schools without significant measures like heightened security.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reflects multiple competing views on gun control and safety measures in schools, with no consensus reached on the best approach to prevent future shootings.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions regarding the effectiveness of gun laws, the psychological aspects of confronting a shooter, and the cultural differences between the U.S. and other countries regarding gun ownership and violence.

  • #181
seycyrus said:
Anywhere.

Here's a question for you. Where do you live that you trust criminals more than honest citizens?

I don't trust criminals more than honest people. I just don't assume that every stranger I come into contact with is a criminal who has it in their mind to victimize me. If that were the situation, I would change my situation. I enjoy going out and not considering that I will be a victim. If that were the case, I would consider myself to be living in fear...a victim every single day.

Oh, I live in Dorr, Michigan.
 
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  • #182
kev1829 said:
For those who want ccw's: Where do you spend your time that you feel the necessity to have deadly force to protect yourselves?

How about the university one might be attending?

I carry everywhere. Some days I don't carry at all. Depends a great deal on what I am wearing, and where I am going. Chances are very good that a violent crime will never befall me. But, if it ever happens I want to be as prepared as I can.
 
  • #183
kev1829 said:
I don't trust criminals more than honest people. I just don't assume that every stranger I come into contact with is a criminal who has it in their mind to victimize me.

But it is ok to assume that honest citizens with a CW are going to shoot the place up?
 

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