Math puzzle: combinations of digits

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The discussion revolves around a math puzzle involving combinations of the digits 1 through 5. Participants are exploring how many unique combinations can be formed with these digits for 1-digit, 2-digit, 3-digit, 4-digit, and 5-digit groups, while adhering to specific rules regarding repetition and reversals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the number of combinations using factorials and division, but questions the accuracy of their results. Some participants suggest starting with smaller combinations and identifying patterns, while others challenge the assumptions made about the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing different perspectives on the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding how to approach the counting of combinations, and there is an acknowledgment of the importance of understanding the reasoning behind the numerical answers rather than just obtaining a final count.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of a specific answer being provided by an external source, which has led to further questioning about the validity of the approach taken by the original poster. The emphasis on understanding the process rather than just the answer is also noted.

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My 10 year old daughter was given this maths puzzle and I'm sure to you guys it would be pretty easy.

You have 5 numbers 1,2,3,4,5

Ho many possible combinations are there possibe for 1 digit combos,2 digit combos, 3 digit combos, 4 digit combos, and 5 digit combos. The numbers cannot repeat at any time and you cannot have the reverse of the numbers also (e.g 345 and 543 as same 3 numbers used in this 3 digit combo.)

For single digit combos there is onviously only 5 combos 1-5 (5)
For 5 digit combos there is only one combination 1-5 (1) as any other combo still uses the same 5 numbers
I thought using 5*4*3*2*1 / 4+3+2+1 = (12) would be the correct answer for the 4 digit combos
and that 5*4*3*2*1 / 3 +2 +1 = (20) would be correct for 3 digit combos and that 5*4*3*2*1 / 2+1 = (40) for 2 digit combos.

So total combos 5 + 40 + 20 + 12 + 1 = 78 possible combos would be correct but it's not.

What is the correct answer and can you explain how it is done.

Thanks in advance
 
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She should start by listing all possibilities for 2 digits (including reversals), then excluding reversals, and try to deduce a pattern from that.
 
Logger said:
My 10 year old daughter was given this maths puzzle and I'm sure to you guys it would be pretty easy.

You have 5 numbers 1,2,3,4,5

Ho many possible combinations are there possibe for 1 digit combos,2 digit combos, 3 digit combos, 4 digit combos, and 5 digit combos. The numbers cannot repeat at any time and you cannot have the reverse of the numbers also (e.g 345 and 543 as same 3 numbers used in this 3 digit combo.)

For single digit combos there is onviously only 5 combos 1-5 (5)
For 5 digit combos there is only one combination 1-5 (1) as any other combo still uses the same 5 numbers
I thought using 5*4*3*2*1 / 4+3+2+1 = (12) would be the correct answer for the 4 digit combos
and that 5*4*3*2*1 / 3 +2 +1 = (20) would be correct for 3 digit combos and that 5*4*3*2*1 / 2+1 = (40) for 2 digit combos.

So total combos 5 + 40 + 20 + 12 + 1 = 78 possible combos would be correct but it's not.

What is the correct answer and can you explain how it is done.

Thanks in advance

For 4-digit combos, every combo is defined by the number missing. So, there are not 12 of those.
 
Logger said:
Somebody sent me the answer...31
You really think your daughter should only care about the numerical answer?
 
The link that I included on my previous post showed the formula and how it works and the proof. Do you really think a maths teacher would allow a child just come up with a numerical answer anyway? Thanks for taking the time to reply.Take care.
 

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