Maths Problem (Medium): Proving the Solution

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This discussion revolves around a mathematical problem related to proving a specific solution involving sums and powers of ten. Participants explore the implications of the mathematical expressions and seek to clarify the underlying patterns and relationships, particularly for small values of n.

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  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using English explanations alongside proofs to clarify the mathematical expressions presented.
  • One participant proposes expanding the square of a sum to demonstrate the solution, indicating that the i's in the right-hand side represent the number of combinations producing a specific exponent.
  • Another participant illustrates the problem by calculating specific cases for n=3, showing how the sums relate to the squares of numbers like 111 and 121, and identifying a pattern in the results.
  • There is a mention of how the first sum counts "down" due to the exponent structure, while the second sum represents a straightforward counting method.
  • Participants express curiosity about the patterns observed in the results of squaring numbers like 111 and 1111, and how these relate to the sums being discussed.

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Participants appear to share an interest in exploring the mathematical patterns and relationships, but there is no consensus on a definitive proof or explanation of the problem. Multiple viewpoints and approaches are presented without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various mathematical expressions and assumptions that may not be fully defined or resolved, particularly regarding the implications of the sums and their relationships to the squared results.

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mkdagi.jpg


Use English to explain what this is showing.
Also prove it!
 
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alice22 said:
mkdagi.jpg


Use English to explain what this is showing.
Also prove it!

I found this else where, so some of you may have seen it before.
 
Just expand the square and you are basically done. The i's in the rhs are the number of combinations which can produce that exact exponent.
 
alice22 said:
mkdagi.jpg


Use English to explain what this is showing.
Also prove it!

The simplest thing to do is to look at what it says for some small n- say n= 3.
\left(\sum_{i=0}^{3-1}10^i\right)^2= \left(10^0+ 10^1+ 10^2\right)^2= (1+ 10+ 100)^2= 111^2.

\sum_{i=1}^n i10^{i-1}= 1(10^0)+ 2(10^1)+ 3(10^2)= 321

\sum_{i=1}^{n-1} i10^{2n-i-1}= 1(10^4}+ 2(10^3)= 1200

It's easy to calculate that 111^2= 12321= 1200+ 321.

11^2= 121, 111^3= 12321, 1111^2= 1234321 , etc.

Do you see the pattern?
\sum_{i=1}^{n-1} i10^{2n-i-1}
is the first part- the 1234... Do you see how it is counting "down" because of the 10^{2n-i-1}?
\sum_{i=1}^n i10^{i-1}
is the last part: 321
 
HallsofIvy said:
The simplest thing to do is to look at what it says for some small n- say n= 3.
\left(\sum_{i=0}^{3-1}10^i\right)^2= \left(10^0+ 10^1+ 10^2\right)^2= (1+ 10+ 100)^2= 111^2.

\sum_{i=1}^n i10^{i-1}= 1(10^0)+ 2(10^1)+ 3(10^2)= 321

\sum_{i=1}^{n-1} i10^{2n-i-1}= 1(10^4}+ 2(10^3)= 1200

It's easy to calculate that 111^2= 12321= 1200+ 321.

11^2= 121, 111^3= 12321, 1111^2= 1234321 , etc.

Do you see the pattern?
\sum_{i=1}^{n-1} i10^{2n-i-1}
is the first part- the 1234... Do you see how it is counting "down" because of the 10^{2n-i-1}?
\sum_{i=1}^n i10^{i-1}
is the last part: 321

Yes that's basically it the first bit gives the last n digits and the first bit gives the first n+1 digits where the length is 2n+1
 

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